Mattogno's obsession with "the
'converging' testimonial evidence
for the Auschwitz 4 million victim
figure" ignores the fact that Höss
gave lower figures. 4
4 Höss
affidavit, 20.5.46, NI-034. (p.519)
Hoess did indeed give lower figures, but
not in the Nuremberg document HC have
incorrectly cited. In Nuremberg
documents NO-1210, 3868-PS and NI-034,
Hoess gave exactly the same figures i.e.
2,500,000 gassed and 500,000 killed by
starvation and disease, just during his
tenure as Auschwitz commandant. Hoess'
lower figures were given at his trial,
in his memoirs, and posthumously
credited to him at the 1961 Eichmann
trial by US Army psychologist Gustav
Gilbert. Gilbert hadn't bothered
mentioning them in his 1947 book Nuremberg
Diaries, instead he claimed Hoess
had confessed to him personally, in his
prison cell, that he had exterminated
2,500,000 Jews. Gilbert was "economical
with the actualité", but that's a
different story.
"... opponents such as ourselves who
deal with the evidence in good faith?" (p.520)
See Nick Terry's handling of Nuremberg
document NO-482 on p.232, or my comments here,
to see HC's idea of "good faith."
"The attempt to poison the well by
blaming the Soviet investigators for
effectively hoaxing mass graves ignores
the fact that western journalists were
shown human remains at Babi Yar, Klooga
and near Majdanek, and a huge store of
plundered property in Lublin." (p.520)
It wasn't just journalists given the
official tour around "Majdanek
museum." Paddy Costello, the New
Zealand diplomat, suspected
communist spy, father of
halachically Jewish children, the
man who ensured Raul Hilberg's often
cited Auschwitzer Oleg Lengyel made
it to Paris (via Lublin and Odessa),
he too went on the guided tour of
Majdanek. He accepted a "2,000,000"
death toll given by the Majdanek
museum's director for just that one
camp, the figure which appears in
his March 26, 1945 report, alongside
a 6,000,000 figure for Auschwitz,
and the tale of the new-born babies
being thrown into boxes to die, then
cremated en masse when the boxes
were full.
- McNeish, James. The Sixth Man: The
Extraordinary Life of Paddy Costello.
London: Quartet Books. 2008. p.313-318 &
166
It has been indisputably proven that the
Soviets committed acts of genocide, then
blamed it on the Germans (USSR-54),
and the Bolshevik's murderous behaviour
in Europe was predicted by
the British government in February 1944.
Soviet propagandists showing journalists
corpses, in territory where the Soviets
had been slaughtering civilians and
raping children for
several months, could not be accepted at
face-value by any conscientious
historian.
"Sobibor also has unsourced
speculation by Graf that Zionists
were "unhesitatingly prepared to
sacrifice hundreds of thousands of
their own brethren." The same page
then blames Zionists for "firing up"
German anti-Jewish feeling in 1933." (p.522)
"If I knew that it would be
possible to save all the children in
Germany by bringing them over to
England and only half of them by
transporting them to Eretz Israel,
then I opt for the second
alternative."
- David Ben Gurion, addressing a
conference of Labour Zionists in the UK, 1938
No lesser figures than Samuel
Untermyer on August
6th, 1933, Rabbi Edward L.
Israel on November
20, 1938, and Heinrich Brüning
in 1948, all
claimed that Hitler (a "Messenger of
God" to
some Zionists) had been, or was
being financed by Jews. A charge
Hitler successively refuted in court
during 1923, winning himself,
ironically, 6,000,000 marks
in the process! If financing an
anti-Semitic political
party wasn't "firing up" German
anti-Jewish feeling, then what was?
The Nazis and Zionists shared a
common goal:
"The political Zionists ... they
call upon Jews to leave Europe and
to found a state of their own;
preferably in Palestine,"
- Public Opinion, 1897
"Zionist groups themselves
estimated their own strength at only
1 or 2 percent of the country's
Jews. The Zionist concept was
anathema to the overwhelming
majority ... In 1933, then, Zionism
in Germany was a mere fringe
movement."
- Edwin Black, 1984
"It would be an excellent idea to
call in respectable, accredited
anti-Semities as liquidators of
property. ... The anti-Semities will
become our most dependable friends,
the anti-Semitic countries our
allies."
- Theodor Herlz's diary, June
12, 1895
" ... accusing Jews of using
Christian blood in their rituals." (p.522)
No-one can seriously claim to prove or
disprove what every Jew over the last
1000 years, has or hasn't done. But the consumption by
Jews, of circumcision blood (the "Water
of Elijah" ritual) and swallowing
freshly severed babies' prepuces
(sometimes with honey) has been
documented by numerous Jewish scholars,
including Rabbi Jacob Moses Toledano, a
minister in Ben Gurion's government,
up-until very recent times.
"Mattogno is much more guarded in his
statements but, in 2010, wrote an
article on the Protocols of the Elders
of Zion which stated that the
"aspiration to world domination by
the Jews... is already expressed
explicitly" in rabbinical texts and
constitutes "the very essence of Jewish
messianism." (p.523)
Are HC contesting this claim, or
accepting it's true? I found the
prefect description of the above
sentence, and I actually found it in
HC's book.
"In fact, it would appear that he
doesn't have an argument here,
and is advancing what might be
called the non-argument argument,
whereby the mere act of quoting
something is supposedly sufficient
to prove a point that is not even
outlined, much less explained." (p.59)
Voltaire would have agreed 100% with
Mattogno's assertion, even as
ellipsised and clipped by HC in
their "non-argument argument."
"The Jews are distinguished among
the nations by this—that their
oracles are the only true ones, of
which we are not permitted to doubt.
These oracles, which they understand
only in the literal sense, have a
hundred times foretold to them that
they should be masters of the world;
yet they have never possessed
anything more than a small corner of
land, and that only for a small
number of years, and they have not
now so much as a village of their
own. They must, then, believe, and
they do believe, that their
predictions will one day be
fulfilled, and that they shall have
the empire of the earth."
- Jews. -
The Works of Voltaire, Vol. V
(Philosophical Dictionary Part 3)
[1764]
Is it now antisemitic to simply quote
the Tanakh? (aka the 'Jewish Bible' &
the 'Old Testament'):
"Request of Me, and I will make
nations your inheritance, and the
ends of the earth your possession."
-
Psalms 2:8
"the God of heaven will set up a
kingdom that will never be
destroyed, nor will it be left to
another people. It will crush all
those kingdoms and bring them to an
end, but it will itself endure
forever."
-
Daniel 2:44 (many,
many more explicit
examples can easily be shown)
Then of course there's the Midrashic
texts:
"I am the Lord who created heaven
and earth. I will increase your
numbers and multiply you very much.
Kings will come from you, and they
will rule wherever mankind has set
foot. I will give your descendants
all of the land that is beneath the
sky. They will rule over all nations
just as they wish. Afterwards, they
will gain the entire earth, and they
will possess it forever."
-
Book of Jubilees 32:18-19
And the Gemara, as interpreted by the American
Jewish Congress, not noted as
typical antisemites:
"Still, the Talmud retains three
dimensions of the messianic
ideal—Israel will be triumphant,
all-conquering: "when the Messiah
comes, all will be slaves to Israel"
(Eruvin 43b)."
-
Judaism Vol. 32,
(1983)
"Thus Israel should hope for the
redemption, because it will be a day
of light to them: but why should the
Gentiles, seeing that for them it
will be a day of darkness"
-
Sanhedrin 98b
"... as it is written (Haggai
2:8), The Silver is mine, and the
gold is mine, saith the Lord of
Hosts. He has long since given them
to us,"
-
Sanhedrin 103b
"[The Rabbis] wished to store
away all the silver and gold in the
world on account of the silver and
gold [plundered from the Sanctuary]
of Jerusalem!"
-
Avodah Zarah 52b
And of course, there's the small fact
that prominent Jews keep claiming they
will conquer, control, and rule the
world. 1 2 3
"The idea that conspiracy theorists
"live in their own world" thus is
not simply criticism of their mental
capacity, but also a statement
sufficiently describing reality and
historical events as they are typically
understood by conspiracy theorists." (p.524)
Jonathan Harrison, the author of this
chapter (I believe*) and seemingly the
nightwatchman of the HC team, doesn't
share the parametres of who exactly
qualifies a "conspiracy theorist" in his
theorising. He does of course include
"Holocaust deniers" ("Jewish newspeak"),
but presumably he would also include:
Benjamin Disraeli (secret societies plot
to destroy constitutional governments
and Christianity)
Woodrow Wilson (US
government is dominated by a small group
of powerful men)
Winston Churchill (Jewish Bolshevism
and Jewish plot for word domination)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (financial
institution have owned US government see
mid-19th century)
Bertrand Russell (Jewish
Bolshevism and JFK assassination)
Richard Nixon (Jews
control main stream media)
Spiro Agnew (Jews
control main stream media)
Legislatures of Michigan and Delaware (world
government threat)
Michael Meacher (Bush administration had
foreknowledge of 9/11 attack)
Robin Cook (Al-Qaeda
originated as the name of a CIA
database)
I'm clearly not making the case for any
of these positions, therefore
the predictable response of argumentum
ad verecundiam would be
misplaced. I'm merely pointing out who
HC's Jonathan Harrison would consider to
be a "conspiracy theorist" and
possess(ed) a "mental capacity" inferior
to his own. We can surely expected great
things from Mr Harrison seeing that he
has such a fine mind (knowledge of basic
Nuremberg documents, the obvious
exception, see top of page). As
Chancellor Palpatine said to a young
Darth Vader, "we will watch your career
with great interest."
* When I noted HC BST error of the
contents of NI-034 (see top of page) on
rodoh, it was Harrison who responded
aggressively by ignoring the error
and insisting there's no connection
between the numerous testimonies
which supported the original official
Auschwitz 4 million death toll.
"The late Raul Hilberg once said,
deniers "are like children who say:
prove it! And so we must, prove it!"
Hilberg could have added that
deniers are asking historians to
reinvent the wheel, because the
Holocaust was already proven in the
1940s." (p.527)
Unfortunately for HC it's very
unlikely Raul Hilberg would have
said such a thing, seeing as he did
say shortly before
he died: "... yes, there was a
Holocaust, which is, by the
way, more easily said than
demonstrated."
"Mattogno is much more guarded in his statements but, in 2010, wrote an article on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion...."
ReplyThat is a completely false and distorting statement. Mattogno wrote a complete confutation of authenticity of Protocols in 1987. Here it is (sorry, I have only Italian)
http://andreacarancini.blogspot.it/2010/05/il-giudizio-di-carlo-mattogno-sulla.html
So every successive Mattogno's statement must be seen "only" starting from his honesty about protocols.(BTW Mattogno's brother is veeeeery expert in Talmud, Jews history etc, and wrote very good books....). I doubt that Carlo Mattogno said something not pondered on that issue.
ReplyThis is the complete article (3 parts)
Replyhttp://olo-dogma.myblog.it/archive/2010/06/22/i-falsi-falsi-protocolli-scopo-e-significato-dei-protocolli.html#more
http://olo-dogma.myblog.it/archive/2010/06/22/i-falsi-falsi-protocolli-scopo-e-significato-dei-protocolli1.html#more
http://olo-dogma.myblog.it/archive/2010/06/22/i-falsi-falsi-protocolli-scopo-e-significato-dei-protocolli2.html#more
I read the http://tinyurl.com/c63eq9w
ReplyIt's complete garbage about "conspiracy theories". Just the opposite. Well, I'm open to consider whether Mattogno, Graf and Kues did the best research in the archives or not, as they hinted there. I have not the knowledge to dispute that. I know that, before Revisionists, no serious studies about cremations, gas chambers, diesel or not, wood or coal, how much, etc...was performed. That speaks aloud, IMHO about their honesty. Sry for my very bad English
I read too http://tinyurl.com/c63eq9w
ReplyGarbage. They even say non-jews (sic) when previously Mattogno explained goyim mean non-jews. Very poor people. You see the article here.
http://sololislam.blogspot.it/2011/04/giovanna-canzano-intervista-gian-pio.html
Sry http://tinyurl.com/cyy3rag
ReplyI see their quote pag 523 http://tinyurl.com/cyy3rag
ReplyI translate:
The most serious anti-Jewish polemic has collected numerous quotations from the Talmud and other sources, from which we learn that the non-jew is treated as an animal; to him you must feed hatred and contempt, and even in some cases kill him. When will the Jewish Messiah, all the goyim idolaters shall be cut or subservient to Israel, which belongs by divine right to rule over all the peoples of the earth"
Thanks a lot for that, particularly the translation.