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25 May 2000
hi !
sorry for my english it not very well....!!!
my name is gabi and im from isreal
i dont hate arabs and i dont belive in god...
i do think that zionizs is a anti human rights becouse it for jews only and only
but in this site you show only the damage isreali did to the arabs
maybe you show some pic of how arabs murdred in cold blood men ,women and
shildrens
how they kidnapp citizens and kill them just for isreali goverment could
relese more arabs that been lockup thou they crimes agains human rights for
kiling
those innosent people..
i think no metter what rase u are , every person deserv to live a disent live
no metter if he jew ,crestean or arab
PEACE CAN BE FOR SOME THING MATIRIEL...
is something that two people have to build...
forget the past ,love now be loved !!!
true peace is the anser !!!
Your question has become on in a list of frequently asked questions (FAQ) posed
by Israeli and pro-Israel individual. The answer to it lies on this feedback
page, repeated way more than once.
SAM
24 May 2000
Dear Sam:
I have written to you, but you have not responded. Your website is
terrible!!!! In the rescent events in Israel has pulled out of Southern Lebanon
and the soldiers of the Hezbollah say that this is not enough on world
television. You and all that you stand for is nothing but lies!! I dare the
Hezbollah soldiers to fire on bullet at Israel, then when Israel wipes you from
the earth everyone will be happy. Your wonderful party of G-D is committed to
nothing but terrorism!!!
A concerned Canadian!!!!!!!!!!
Patience, brother! Good things come to those who wait. Read the response to
your letter (22 May 2000) on this page.
SAM
24 May 2000
Well done my friend. Keep up the good work.
I am an Arab in the UK, and I know how brainwashed these people are. Anyway,
Israel is crumballing, and Hizbollah have got our 1st victory.
Lets hope it continues.
By the way, your work on this site is the pinacle and at the core of what needs
to done in educating the west. They are fed with propoganda, but when the
intelligent people see this site, they will se what we have known for 52 years.
Only by educating the west, will the Arab world gain the support.
Well done and thank you, and if I can help you in anyway, just ask!
24 May 2000
MASHALLAH
HEZBOLLAH.
atefez@**** (i am a iranish economystudent and i wuld given
my life for our LEADER IMAM CHAMENEYI 1000time)
23 May 2000
Dear Sam:
I thank you for putting together a very informative web site. the truth about
what is going on in the Middle East (who's really the terrorist and who's not)
is known to less than 1% of the people in the States / Europe. I hope more and
more people read and learn from your site. CNN and the like are just "partners
in the crime".
The current Israeli withdrawal from the South of Lebanon has proved (once again)
that Israel understands nothing but war. two thumbs up for Hizbullah.
unfortunately, it seems that this withdrawal is a preparation for a larger
aggression by Israel on Lebanon and Syria. i foresee a "hot" summer ahead.
Any comment / analyses on what lies ahead ?
Joe
Thank you Joe. What lies ahead, I fear, is a subjugation-based "peace", not
a justice-based one, enforced with the help of a new dictatorship run by the
Palestinian Authority. Only when Zionism truly ends and basic justice for the
Palestinian victims is granted, that Arab and Jews can live peacefully --SAM
22 May 2000
Dear Sam:
I have had the DISPLEASURE of reading through your web site, trying to
understand your thoughts and opinions. The truth is that I can not because your
web site is a hoax. Your web site is filled with only 1% of the truth the rest,
lies!
I have read through all of the feedback letters and came across one that
caught my eye, dated JULY 17, 1999. It tells alot of the true historical facts
that have happened in the past 100 years IN ISRAEL. I encourage everyone to
read this letter. Sam, the truth really hurts.
I am curious to some of your responses to that letter. One was a plea
saying what would the US do if another nation began to populate and take over?
The truth Sam is that every nation has a conquer. This hapened not only in the
US, but also in all of North America when the settlers came to the new world and
defeated the Native Americans. Sam this only happened in the last few hundred
years as I am sure that you are aware. My question to you Sam is " WHAT WOULD
THE AMERICAN AND CANADIAN GOVERNMENTS DO IF THESE NATIVE PEOPLE STRAPPED BOMBS
TO THERE BODIES AND WENT TO THERE SCHOOLS AND THERE SHOPPING MALLS AND KILLED
INNOCENT NON MILITARY PEOPLE??? AND DID IT IN THE NAME OF G-D??? Sam the truth
hurts.
Sam you talk alot about Israelis and North American lies but the truth is
in real life experiences... I visited Israel, all of Israel. I saw the truth.
You are right about the brain washing! Sam, Every Friday a Good friend and I
would take all the food, bread, milk, ice cream, meat that would not keep, from
his father's store and take it to a village just outside of Jerusalem. We call
it a mitzva. Being raised in Canada what I experienced next horrified me.
Palestinian children came and spit at us, calling us dirty jews, threating to
kill us. These children were between the ages of 2-12, calling us dirty jews,
where did they learn this kind of hate Sam???
You want to know what is sad is that we kept going every Friday and the same
thing would happen.
Sam I have friends who are From Beruit, the Paris of the Middle East, who
can not stand what has happened to there country that they loved. The funny
thing is Sam is that they can not stand people like you! You do not know about
TRUTH JUSTICE HUMAN RIGHTS. If you did lebanon would not have been torn into a
war zone by groups like the Hezbollah, not the Israelis. Ask the true Lebanese
people! Not the extremist Sam. You Know the history, the truth Sam, why don't
you print it?????
A Concerned Canadian
So by repeating the statement: "the truth hurts, Sam" do you honestly expect to
convince? For example, in order for me to convince others, I have presented
thousands of pages of evidence for my case against Israel, which makes it
guilty on multiple counts, without the shadow of a doubt. Did you notice any
of that evidence while visiting this page? But first and foremost, to convince,
you must have a solid case, and basic facts on your side. Pointing to the
negative REACTIONS of the victims to their victimization by those you support,
as proof of the unworthiness of the victims to have a good life, will make
any victimization justifiable.
>Your web site is filled with only 1% of the truth the rest, lies!
Really? Which part is truth, and which is lies? Since the truth hurts, could
it be that the best way for you to deal with the pain and/or your
"brain-washedness" is to deny that truth? Psychologists have a word for it
-- denial.
>I have read through all of the feedback letters and came across one that
>caught my eye, dated JULY 17, 1999. It tells alot of the true historical
>facts that have happened in the past 100 years IN ISRAEL. I encourage
>everyone to read this letter. Sam, the truth really hurts.
Indeed. But most importantly I encourage everyone to read my response to it.
>The truth Sam is that every nation has a conquer
So, that makes conquest --with the slaughter, enslavement, rape, etc.--
benign?! So when one day the Arabs are stronger than Israel, and they
decide to conquer it, oppress the population, torture and imprison them
indefinitely, that should be OK, right? After all "every nation has a conquer"
Actually the conquest of Palestinians didn't stop in 1948 and 67. It continues
today, step by step: acre by acre confiscated, goat by goat stolen (as Haim
Weizmann once envisioned) instead of the dramatical, eye-catching ethnic
cleansing others used. Same goal, but different means of achieving them.
Houses of Palestinians continue to be demolished as we speak, their land
continue to be confiscated, 80% of their water stolen (after which they
have to buy it back from the thief), people imprisoned without charges ...
you name it, Israel has done it.
More than 6000 residency cards of Palestinian Jerusalemites have been canceled
by Israel -- a means of quite ethnic cleansing of the city of its non-Jewish
population. But you find none of that to be important. What you consider
appalling is a boy of those worthless victims, who reacted to his victimization
by spitting at you, without even for one minute placing yourself in his shoes.
Did you consider, for example, that where you were sitting with your friend once
belonged to the parents' of that boy, a land that your gentle conquerors stole
from them and kicked them out at gun point? Or, since you were around Jerusalem,
did you consider for one minute that the boy's grand-parents were slaughtered and
raped in Deir Yassin, right outside of Jerusalem, by future Israeli prime-
ministers, Shamir and the Nobel Peace prize winner Begin? Did you consider for
example, that this boy's father was tortured, his house was recently demolished,
his water is currently stolen, his brother killed by a rubber-coated steel bullet,
his other brother jailed for years without charges, his family living under endless
curfew installed by those peace-loving Jews of whom you consider yourself one?
How dare that little boy spit at his tormentors?
No, you haven't really visited all of Palestine ("Israel"); definitely not a
refugee camp in the west bank, where Palestinians fester, after having been
expelled via massacres and psychological warfare in 1948 and 1967, by your
friendly conquerors. Many of these refugees still carry the keys and deeds to
the houses, where today some Russian Jew calls "his" house.
Those damn Palestinians; it's beyond me why they don't just bow down and accept
their being conquered and enslaved.
I really doubt you read anything in this site. The problem might be that
you visited it with your mind already made-up, not willing to consider, for one
second even, that there is a different version of events. So, unless you change
that, you will continue babbling on, naively trying to "educate" others who
understand the basic facts of the conflict better than you.
>lebanon would not have been torn into a war zone by groups like the
>Hezbollah, not the Israelis. Ask the true Lebanese people! Not the
>extremist Sam. You Know the history, the truth Sam, why don't you print
>it?????
Without Hizbollah and Syria, Lebanon would be a puppet for Israel today, led
by those "true" Lebanese you mention. Read the diaries of Israel's second
prime minister, Moshe Sharett, about Israel's plan in the 1950s for dividing
up Lebanon and placing a puppet-for-Israel Maronite government. Also, I can't
remember hearing about Hizbollah --those you call "extremist", i.e. those
who object to Israel's oppressive occupation-- destroying Lebanon, bombing
ambulances, schools, hospitals, stealing Lebanon's water and soil, massacring
innocent civilians hiding in a UN compound, running a torture camp at Khiam
courtesy of its puppet -- the "true" Lebanese -- the way Israel did repeatedly.
Remember also that Hizbollah was created to resist Israel, a result of the
latter's invasion of Lebanon in 82 during which Israel killed about 20,000
people mostly civilians -- more than ALL of Israel's losses to the Arabs in
the past 52 years COMBINED. To make it simple for you: Israel invaded,
destroyed and occupied, THEN Hizbollah was born as a resistance --endorsed by
international law-- to end that situation, but the media you listen to reversed
that order for you.
It was amusing watching your "true" Lebanese after Israel withdrew, rushing to
Israel's border for refuge thinking that Israel will receive them with open
arms, dashing to the salvage of their once-allies and treating them like kings.
Little did they know that Israel, now that it has no use for them, will dump
them into refugee camps like used diaper, never mind that they faught for
Israel for 22 years betraying, slaughtering and bombarding their own countrymen,
on behalf of the invading army. If I were them, I would convert to Judaism!!
This way they would qualify for the human-being treatment Israel reserves for
the Jews.
Too bad your mind is made up about this issue, otherwise you would have truly
benefited from this article in today's Boston Globe by a professor
of Sociology in John Hopkins Univ. and a former Israeli soldier.
Sam
22 May 2000
i`d like to express my opinion on one subject that caught my attention
on your website.Iraqi invasion of kuwait.clearly,you are trying to justify the
iraqi action with such ridiculus arguments as..
"OPEC oil production agreements violation by Kuwait, or Kuwait's demands of
immediate loan repayment by Iraq ".
let me ask you this?? does all this justify full scale military attack on an
independent state??????
hell no...there are other means of solving problems.
but to you,arabs and allah followers the only mean of solving differences is to
use violence.violence is in your genes.
yeh yeh...americans kicked sadam ass.so they are violet too.
but as far as i can remember they did tell him that unless he leaves kuwait,us
planes will pound his army.
oh,yeah,i know what you are going to say...."f...n jew lover ! "
no..i`m not a jew lover,
but it seems to me that you people take the easy way and blame every setback on
jews and usa. jacek
******@hotmail.com
canada
> clearly,you are trying to justify the iraqi action with such ridiculus
> arguments as ..
Actually, that argument serves to EXPLAIN, not really justify Iraq's action.
Kuwait was launching an economic war on Iraq (possibly with US encouragement),
and that is a factor that must be taken into account when trying to understand
and hence resolve the situation. Saddam clearly had a better reason to invade
Kuwait than, say, the US when it invaded Panama killing about 3-4 times more
Panamanians than Saddam killed Kuwaitis... I guess in your book, that would
now justify bombing Washington, LA, NYC, etc, along with their civilian
infrastructure from electrical grids to water and sewage treatment plans,
reducing the US to a starving pre-industrial nation, then imposing deadly
and genocidal sanctions to make an entire nation collapse!!
One of the saddest things in the world today is that we forget to put ourselves
in others' shoes ("Do unto others ....") as we rush to condemn ("Let whoever of
you without sin cast the first stone") and support a war initiated by our
power-hungry leaders. Martin Luther King, Jr said once something like: I found
the purveyor of most violence on earth -- my own country. He was right.
>but to you,arabs and allah followers the only mean of solving differences
>is to use violence.violence is in your genes.
This statement displays severe Hollywood-inculcated ignorance --not to mention
racism-- about the entire region, let alone the situation with Iraq. Also, you
may not know it, but I am Christian, and there are about 10 percent like me
over there in that "genetically violent" part of the world called the Middle
East.
>as far as i can remember they did tell him that unless he leaves kuwait,us
>planes will pound his army.
Actually, Bush tried to circumvent any face-saving attempts by Saddam to leave
Kuwait, especially one case in January 1991 by Primakov. Do you remember that
part? Or are you saying that you learned about the Gulf war through a sanitized
main-stream media that treat US leaders' statements as facts?
Bush repeatedly declared: "no diplomacy and no face saving" -- something that no
one truly concerned with saving human lives, as the US leaders claim to be, would do.
The possibility that Saddam might leave Kuwait, before the American onslaught, but
after possibly installing a puppet regime was labeled the "nightmare scenario"
by the Boston Globe. (By the way, Bush also admitted, recently, in his book
that he would have even ignored congress in launching a war, if they didn't
approve of it --unconstitutional-- kinda like Johnson and Vietnam, maybe).
Furthermore, as I said above, the US didn't just "pound Saddam's army" during the
massacre known as the "Gulf War", they pounded Iraqi civilians' infrastructure
returning Iraq to pre-industrial age, massacred retreating soldiers, used cancer-
causing depleted uranium shells, etc. At least a dozen actions committed by the
US then count as war-crimes (see a recent L.A. Times article about that issue.).
The sanctions that followed, not just military, but also economical, ensured that
the Iraqi society is being decimated with 1.5 million dead so far, mostly children.
The actual reason for US action --and perhaps a set-up of Saddam-- is oil, not
about saving Kuwait from aggression. In that oil-filled region (and Iraq has
the second most largest oil reserve in the world) the US prefers that the oil
countries be dominated by obedient dictators (like Saddam before 1990s, and
the Shah of Iran) who can control the population, and prevent it from ever
thinking about depriving the West from the oil, which belongs to the people of
that region. Thomas Friedman and others articulated this crisply: the
US wants the Iraqi regime, but without Saddam!! In other words, everything
about that brutal administration is OK, (as proven by US turning its back
on rebelling Iraqis after 1991 gulfwar), but that pain-in-the-neck guy Saddam.
In 1953 the CIA helped topple a democratically elected leader in Iran and
placed the west-puppet Shah in his place. The difference between these two
leaders is that the previous one (Mossaddeq) wanted to nationalize Iran's
oil, i.e. send the benefit to the true owners -- the people of Iran!
The other attractive alternative to installing puppet-bullies like Saddam
and the Shah, is to have drowsy monarchs controling oil fields in a lowly
populated area (Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, where people won't get in the way),
whose only concern (the monarchs) is to fill their bank accounts in western
countries and their harems with prostitutes. At the same time, maintain
western troops in those countries pretending that your (noble, by definition)
goal is to defend the poor (monarchs) governments from the (western-installed)
bullies.
>oh,yeah,i know what you are going to say...."f...n jew lover ! "
>no..i`m not a jew lover,
Please urgently start reading and learning about the Middle East. I have
provided plenty of starters at my site, that you seem to have ignored.
Find out how the US reacted when Saddam gassed the Kurds in the 80's.
Ask yourself why the US gave Iraq Billions in "Agricultural" aid right
after he gassed the Kurds in 88? Or why the Pentagon media correspondents
replied "none sense" to US reporters who found out that Saddam had biological
weapons then (when Saddam was our buddy)? Why did a US delegation, led by
Bob Dole, visited Saddam in April 1990 (right before he invaded Kuwait),
expressing support for Iraq? Why did US ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie,
tell Saddam that if he were to invade Kuwait that this would be an Arab-Arab
matter (ie US doesn't care)? Why was some of Saddam's pre-1990 Anthrax Made
in Maryland, USA? Why did the US stand by while a coup attempts by Southern
and northern Iraqis were being bloodily crushed by Saddam? Why did the US
ignore the pleas of those rebelling leaders' for access to US-captured Iraqi
equipment? What was Schwartzkof talking about at the end of the Gulf War
in 1991 when he said that he had been preparing for a war with Iraq for the
past 18 months -- that's 10 months before Iraq invaded Kuwait? Best of all,
ask yourself, why isn't the media --a watchdog for the people, in a true
democracy-- posing and trying to answer those questions for the public?
There are literally endless such questions you should be asking yourself,
instead of allowing the leaders and media to lead you into the path of
supporting war and death and divert your attention from the issues, to Monica,
OJ and Elian. But only when you pursue impartial answer to the questions above,
without being hindered by blind patriotism, that you will be beginning to
understand the situation. When you do, please join the anti-sanctions movement
to end a genocide, financed with your tax-money and mine.
Sam
22 May 2000
So if Isreal is Gods chosen people, than why stand in the way of God?
Gods allways dealt with his people as he has seen fit, punishing them when
needed and blessing them when he chose.
The day is coming when all the countries of the world will no longer put Isreal
in such high regard and when that day comes than Isreal will know God and God
will remember them. Until than, why try to speed the day of wrath? Its really
not a day to look forward to.
So if Isreal is Gods chosen people, than why stand in the way of God?
Are you saying that that country in the Middle East, that called itself "Israel"
in 1948, is the biblical Israel? When God "chooses" a people it wouldn't be
based on some race, ethnicity or lineage. It will be based on their faith and
behavior, on character, grace and how they treat others. Not because part of
their DNA is that of Jacob or Alexander the Great. Some of the absurdity of
such claim will emerge when you look at the issue of Jewish assimilation. If
someone is half Jewish does that mean he is half-chosen or half-blessed by God?
The Israel that God spoke about in the bible represent the faithful people who
believed in him and followed his teaching (that's what many Christian churches
believe, except the Baptist and Fundamentalist Christians). I can hardly find
a God commandment not violated by today's "Israel" in its treatment of the
Palestinians. Are you saying we should just wait on the side and watch
because God will take care of that one day, and not act? Did the Samaritan
rush to the rescue of the suffering man he came across, or did he just wait
for God to do it himself? Actually, even by not doing anything we're not
bystanders. As Americans, our tax-money is helping make every crime committed
by Israel possible.
Although I don't mind religion, what I hate about it is that it makes people
lose their rationale, their sense of logic and reason, even their compassion for
fellow humans, like when the tormentors are "special people." None of these traits
were advocated by God -- the God I grew up to know, that is. When one is suffering
my God --and I am Christian-- tells me to extend a helping hand. In the present
case, "Israel" (today's Israel, that is) is clearly the victimizer, guilty first of
ethnically cleansing Palestinians, the victims, and then by systematically violating
their human rights, stealing their land, water, destroying their homes and crops
and their livelihood.
Please visit the Miscellaneous page on my site and read the articles under
"Christian Fundamentalist". Better yet, visit a Palestinian refugee camps
or a Palestinian city in the West bank and talk to the people about what they
have been through. Talk to a family whose home was demolished, or someone
who was tortured and imprisoned indefinitely without charges. Allow the
victims to tell you about their agony and suffering. After you do that, I
dare you, as a Christian, to try and repeat the allegation that today's "Israel
is blessed".
Sam
22 May 2000
each and every one of you are fucking killers
you are killing your own people.
every one of the arbic people are thinking only abaut them self.
all the blaim is on the arbic people..
maibe you will lern something from us..
[From an Israeli address --Sam]
22 May 2000
fuck you all ,talking about war?????
you send booms on israel and after you coming to cry to america on us ??? you
know who you are all of you smell like shit and you worth not more then
shit.@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@:(:)):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:)_
[From an Israeli address --Sam]
19 May 2000
Superbly organized. Bravo to you. I have a few additional authors in my own
library you might be interested in. I have over 300 books on the subject.
Dr. Bill Friend
Board of Advisors -Deir Yassin Remembered
American Council for Judaism
13 May 2000
This is a great and resourceful site. I congratulate you and thank you for this
work. The following link was broken, please check on it.
NEW Monica, the Mossad and Senator Mikulski: an Open letter by William Hughes
(08/29/1998)
My email address is: nrash***@*******.com
You are right. It seems that the site of Bill Hughes, where that link came
from is gone. I will try relocating it. Thanks for your nice comments, by
the way.
7 May 2000
Dear Sam,
I would like to know more about US reaction and response to the Qana
massacre. The article "Clinton calls for Cease-fire after 101 Refugees Die" by
Robert Fisk does not give much information on this issue. Is there another link
I can look at? If not, please comment.
Mira
Dear Mira,
The U.S. supported Israel's action in Qana, almost echoing Israel's "self-defense"
and "mistaken-identity" argument -- pretty much the same response the US gives today
to any Israeli attack on Lebanon. I can't recall the exact words or actions, it
made besides that. But US's support, or lack of condemnation, coupled with constant
flow of aid and arms to Israel, amount to a green-light for Israel to "proceed".
When UN Sec general Boutros Ghali was about to issue a report essentially condemning
Israel --after watering it down-- the US reacted furiously, which made Ghali water down
the report even further, before finally publishing it. Albright, then US ambassador
to the UN, lambasted Ghali, who, after which, became the first UN Sec Gen NOT to get
re-elected! Yes, it is largely accepted that the US made sure he doesn't get reelected
-- one of the ways that "force" (US) not "laws" (UN) rules the world. Also, many in
the UN's investigative committee believe that Israel DID know what it was bombing
(regarding the UN compound in Qana), as the UN report clearly implied. And, after
ordering the bombing, Shimon Peres lost his chance of ever being named to the
position of UN Sec Gen. (which was a possibility before Qana).
But, ultimately, US reactions to Israel's crimes are clear in US repetative use of the
once-rarely-used veto on behalf of Israel shielding Israel from condemning resolutions.
Furthermore, the countless UN resolutions presently standing against Israel are the largest
against any other nation, by a margin. The US arms and finances Israel beyond saturation
(in fact many, if not all of the missiles and bombs that maim and kill in Lebanon, have
"made-in-the-USA" on them). By withholding arms and $$$ the US has a great leverage to
make Israel behave in a desired manner sometimes, like making it not bomb Lebanon's
civilian infrastructure -- that is, IF the US wants to/cares.
Some reactions to Qana:
"We killed them.... We believe, in the most absolute manner, with the White House,
the Senate, the Pentagon, and the New York Times on our side, that their lives do not
have the same weight as ours." -- Ari Shavit, from Ha'aretz
"We are disturbed that the secretary general chose to draw unjustified conclusions about
this incident that can only polarize the situation rather than to draw practical lessons
to prevent its recurrence." "It's like we've had to go back into a time tunnel and
re-debate those issues at a time when we can't afford polarization. We don't have the
luxury of sitting in a debating society and reviewing every problem that occurred in
the past. We've got to move forward." -- US reaction to the UN report by State
Department spokesman Nicholas Burns.
Sam
7 May 2000
Dear Sir,
I object to the content of your site, and the letters in your feedback
section. They are clearly not written by members of the general public, and are
only included for a cheap laugh.
Yours, etc.
William Kn*****
The fact that the type of responses I get on this page are unbelieveable (I
assume your reference is to negative ones) or that the facts contained in this
site are shocking, are, perhaps, testaments to how brain-washed, or "propagandized"
the majority of people are about the Middle East, like those who send me those
responses. Which explains, in turn, why it is so easy for leaders of "democratic"
societies to produce any response out of their constituents to an action of their
government, in the manner that Pavlov produced a desired, conditioned response out
of a dog. I don't mean to be derogatory, but this sadly is the truth today,
especially in Western societies that are more and more growing unconcerned about
their leaders' (often lethal) policies throughout the world, including the Middle
East. I mainly fault the media for marginalizing the public, (in addition to
making the average person focus on empty news, like OJ, Monica and Elian) the
media has become a cheerleader for the government in its foreign policies and
elsewhere, instead of the watchdog for the public, as it is supposed to be
in truly democratic societies.
Sam
5 May 2000
I was an Orthodox Jew over 10 years ago, just going along with the ideology and
all that (I even went to study in a Yeshiva in Jerusalem for a year). Then when
I came back to New York, my whole world was turned on its head. I met a man a
few years younger than myself who was originally from Lebanon. He had a slight
accent, but spoke very articulately, as he had lived and been educated in New
York for most of his life. He was massive...pear-shaped and about 350 pounds,
but had a very boyish-looking round face. We started talking, and I was all
thumbs at first. I didn't know why at first, but I found him to be very engaging
in different ways. We talked for a while about many things, including the Middle
East. I was already beginning to doubt some of the things I had been taught in
Yeshiva, but I still felt that Israel should maintain itself at the expense of
its Arab neighbors, and all that.
I spouted out some of the Jewish-centrist ideology for a minute, and then I
stopped and just looked at him. At first I thought he would get angry...but he
just looked in my eyes and smiled a little bit. He said, "you know, I am
Lebanese but I am also a Christian...in fact, I am Armenian as well." I said,
"Really? Wow...I didn't even know that there are Armenians who live in Lebanon."
He chuckled heartily and said, "Oh yes, there are quite a few of us there." I
looked at him, dumbfounded for a second. He continued, "So you see, I think you
are already learning that nothing is really that simple in this world. He then
gently took my hand, shook his head a little, and said, "Now, let's forget about
all these things that divide us. Besides, there are a lot more important things
in your own personal world right now that demand attention." I looked at him
dumfounded again, and said, "Like what? What do you mean?" He looked at me right
in the eyes and said, "You know exactly what I m!
ean." My heart started thumping. He then said, "What are you, about 30 years old
by now?" I nodded slowly, but then I retorted, "So??" He then took my hand
again, and started caressing it slightly as he said, "Well...an Orthodox Jew who
is 30 years old- and not married?? Exactly how stupid do you think I am??" My
heart was pounding furiously at this point. I stammered..."Welll....I...I...I-I
just haven't met the right...you know, person yet." He laughed a little and
said, "You didn't say the right WOMAN, did you?" I looked away a little and said
slowly, "No...I didn't." He then reached out and said, "Hey...look at me,
please. I know you don't really think I'm that stupid." I said kind of
ashamedly, "No...I know you're not." My heart was thumping like crazy at this
point. He looked into my eyes and smiled again, and suddenly put his hands
behind my head and pulled me close, and pushed his lips into mine and kissed me
for about 10 seconds. I said, "Oh my God...oh, my GOD" and he!
pushed his lips into mine again, and this time I was ready to kiss him back. We
kissed for a good 5 minutes straight, and I knew at that moment that I had
fallen in love with him, this fat, boyishly cute, Armenian-Lebanese man with a
huge fat Lebanese ass. I also knew at that moment that my former world and
ideology had come crashing down into rubble. I also knew at this point that I
wanted this man more than anything else in the world.
To make a long story short, we moved in with each other and lived happily
together as lovers for 8 years, during which he gradually went up to over 450
pounds, until the loss of my life happened when he was felled by a massive heart
attack, just two years ago. I miss him so much, but I will always remember him
in so many ways, for he changed me in so many ways.
To all the right-wing Jews in the world, I say this:
I used to be one of you, or so I thought.
LEBANESE ARE PEOPLE TOO. ARABS ARE PEOPLE TOO. CHRISTIANS ARE PEOPLE TOO. YOU
NEED TO RECOGNIZE THIS, REALIZE THIS, ACKNOWLEDGE THIS, AND KNOW THIS, IN YOUR
HEART AND SOUL.
I used to think I was one of you, but instead I met the most wonderful person in
my life, and it was a Lebanese man. A fat Lebanese man. I got to know every inch
my life, and it was a Lebanese man. A fat Lebanese man. I got to know every inch
of his huge, beautiful body as I knew my own, and for the greatest part of my
life thus far, that's all that mattered. Let's put aside all of our petty
religious/ethnic/nationalistic/racist differences behind us, once and for all.
The world will be MUCH better for it. You will see for yourself.
Joseph L***
5 May 2000
MY NAME: GAL
MY AGE: 15
MY COUNTRY: ISRAEL
Wel, wel, wel... you probably proude on your horibble
web site!
It is just ashame that it is filled with lies!!!
how dare u lie like that when people from all around
the world r reading?!!
do u know what a wrong impression they get?!
they probably think we r monsters!
but the real monster is u!!!!!!!
you sends bombs on us all th time' and do here
terrorist acts a lot.
i dont know what elso to say exept for-
i hope you will get what u desurve!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where exactly did you see a "lie" in this site? Is it at all possible that
you have been so brain-washed that the painful truth to you is now a "lie"?
Sam
29 Apr 2000
I continue toadmire your website. The work you have done to assemble allthis
material is tremendous
I do have trouble getting to your site from a couple of my bookmarks (though a
third one obviously works). I get a geocities page giving excuses. You may want
to check into this.
My main reason for writing is that I am trying to find out about new Israel
education policies. I gather that within the past year Israel has revised its
secondary school curriculum to teach some of the findings of the "new
Historians". Do you know any authoritive sources for this.
How can I get more detail on what they are teaching - and admit to! Nigel G W
I heard about this site so long ago I can't remember where. thank you
The only thing I can suggest is to look under the "Zionism II" page under
"New Historians". Also, now that I added a search tool, your task should
be easier.
Best
Sam
29 Apr 2000
Sam
By chance do have an estimated number for how many Palestinians were killed from
1947 till now, by Israelis. Or where can I go to find this info?
Thanks
SS
This is very tough and loaded question for anyone to answer. I have NEVER seen
any estimates of it. There are estimates for how many Israelis, Syrian, Egyptian,
Lebanese and Jordanian who died fighting each of the major wars (48, 56, 67, 73, 82).
One place for that maybe under http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/iltoc.html. There are
also estimates for the number of Palestinians refugees killed by their Arab host
countries -- an indirect result of their being made refugees by Israel. Most
notable of these cases are Jordan in Black April, Syria in Tel al-Zaatar, and
Lebanon/Israel in Sabra and Shatila. But, I can't say that I have seen reliable
estimates of Palestinians killed by Israelis. I have though seen estimates
putting the ratio of Arab to Israelis killed at 10 (10 Arabs to 1 Israeli).
For civilians killed however, the ratio rises to 30 (30 Arabs to 1 Israeli).
Finally, the total number of Israelis killed by Arabs since 1947 is usually
placed around 18,000.
Sam
28 Apr 2000
dear Sam,
let me just say your site is a gold mine! Though, I thought it would not make
sense to burden your feedback page with just yet another load of compliments: I
was longing to read some more before copying the entire site and e-mailing a
link to some friends and colleagues (I am a journalist for the Italian Public
Tv). I was making happy considerations about this site being one of the very few
examples of what the Internet should be, and which kind of impact it could have
on 'traditional' media and so on. But at last I saw the counter at the bottom of
the page, and I was astonished to discover that I had only been the 712th
visitor, or so, in more than a year. WHAT?! 712 visitors, including comebackers
and the few morons who just take a look at the homepage, find the e-mail button
and vomit all their unmodified prejudices in your box! This goes beyond any
fantasy about the Power of the Jewish Lobby, Catholic Inquisition and Orwell's
Big Brother together! 712 visitors! Journalists!
, universities and NGO's all over the world *should* already be frequent
visitors of your site, as I will be from now on: does it depend from the fact
that your site relates to 'Zionism' and not to a more attractive subject like,
say, 'Peace in the Holy Land'? But why, after crawling for months in the
anti-Seattle mobilization newsgroups or in the biggest NGO/environmentalist
sites, I (and many others like me, according to this feedback section) could
eventually -and hazardously- find your site through the link provided by the
Hezbollah site? (a quite useless propaganda leaflet, by the way, which I won't
probably visit again: so Sam, what if I had got bored before clicking your
link?)
You *must* find other, more eyecatching gateways to your site and include it in
all the major search engines for a variety of keywords: if you didn't do so, you
deserve my little piece of criticism (or did you try and fail? could you be more
precise on this subject?) the more sites like yours gain attention, the better
it is not only for the cause of justice and peace in the Middle East, but for
the cause of [giving sense to] democracy and freedom of speech in our respective
countries and all over the globalized world. Next time I log in, I hope to be
No. 712,000!
Forgive my logorrhea, shrink or dispose of this message as you like and have all
my best wishes.
Well thank you sir/madam for this very kind compliment. It is nice of you to
take the time to write in such detail.
To answer your questions, the number of visitors you refer to (712) belongs
to the feedback page only, NOT to the main and other sub-pages. As of today
(around end of April 2000) the main page has more than 16,000 visitors, and
50 more per day. Hope that makes you feel a little better. :) By the way,
you can find this site listed at least under the altavista engine, under
zionism,iraq, peace, etc.
I realize my site is listed under the "unofficial" hizbolla site, but if that
makes it get more visitors, then why not be listed there? I totally agree
with your assessment of the contents of that site, though.
Best Regards, :)
Sam
27 Apr 2000
We found your site being one of the great sites on Palestinian-Israeli
conflict we linked your site to ours at:
www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Lodge/5195
please visit us
23 Apr 2000
Sam, GOD BLESS YOU
I broke down into tears when I saw this site, finally the truth!
ss
15 Apr 2000
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your great website. I found it a few months ago from a link at
another site called iraqwar.org. Your web site is very informative. I often
use it now as reference when I write letters to my congressman or to the media.
Speaking of the media, did you see the latest movie out, "Rules of Engagement"?
It is the latest in a series of Arab/Muslim bashing films, a shameless and
deceptive piece of work whose only purpose seems to be justifying American
aggression against civilians in Arab countries. What is even worse is that,
according to Council on American Islamic Relations (www.cair-net.org), the
Pentagon cooperated in the making of this film, just as they did with True Lies
and Executive Decision. Don't you think it is appalling that our tax dollars
are being spent in this way. The fact that the president of Paramount Pictures
is herself Jewish is hardly surprising. It seems these people have only one
agenda when it comes to making these types of films, and that is to defame Islam
and justify American and Israeli aggression against these people in their own
lands.
Keep up the good job of informing people and exposing the truth. It is
appreciated.
Sincerely,
Faith
12 Apr 2000
Well all I can say is a good jew is a dead jew! kill the kikes!!
You are perhaps expressing anger at what Zionism did to the Palestinians, but
in the wrong way. Do you know of Israel Shahak, Noam Chomsky, or the many
other famous JEWS who have done more to fight Zionism than countless Arabs or
others? Zionism is the enemy, and it should end. If one advocates the
same murderous policies as the Zionists', then how different is he from them?
28 Mar 2000
Hello,
In general i feel you hav e a great website BUT your quoting haaretz news
paper as a news source really takes away some credibility from other subjects.
As a jew my religon forbids a "state " of israel just as much as it forbids
the reform and any other cheaping of our religon.
Please visit my website http://www.channel21.com/asia/antizionist
jewishnotzionist@hotmail.com
What do you mean by and/or why does quoting Ha'aretz "takes away some credibility
from other subjects"?
27 Mar 2000
HEllo!
NOw it is very obvious to me,and to many other europeans that arabs are
low-lifes. In sweden where i live,arabs are the ones who rape our women OVER AND
OVER AGAIN!! You should all be ashaimed of what you are!!!!! You always blame
the israelis for all the evil in the world
Only narrow-minded "retards" believe your propaganda,where is the
objectivity may i ask??? But ,then again what can you expect??
when your little disgusting,bad smelling arab children grow up,its
brain-wash from the very beginning!!! DEATH TO YOU ALL!!
too bad there was no arabs in europe,when Hitler ruled! HEHE!!
CHRISTIAN EUROPEAN PRIDE
27 Mar 2000
I am Dave, from Israel.
You probobly will not have the guts to publish this letter,
but as I see it, you are a bunch of people who lie to
the world about the situation.
I was in Israel's territory when one of your bombs took my legs, arm, eye, ear,
and burned me.
don't tell me about suffer!
I want peace, but I want the bustartd who ruined my life (again - I was not in
lebanon territory), to die, slowly and painfully.
anyway, you people say that Israel is acting against sevilians,
what about you.
Check yourself before you blame,
and may god be with all of us.
or as the prayer sais:
"OSE SHALOM BIMROMAV ------- HE WHO DOES PEACE IN HEAVEN
WHO YA'ASE SHALOM ALENU" ------- WILL BRING PEACE UPON US
dAVE
What happened to you is indeed very regrettable. You happened to fall in the cycle
of violence that began long ago as a result of a grave original sin, that started it
all. A sin that produced such a profound injustice -- which continues today-- that
made the victims of this injustice become killers. Namely, I am talking about the
dispossession of the Palestinians, indigenous population of Palestine by Israel. Unless
you recognize that, and stop seeking blind revenge from the person who placed the bomb
that maimed you, then the cycle of violence will continue. Anyhow, chances are,
the person's who laid the bomb was tortured by Israel, saw someone dear to him
get tortured by Israel, lost a loved one to an IDF bullet, has been rotting in jail
for years by Israel without trial, etc. So, in essence, it is highly likely that
your "vengeance" has already taken place long before your severe injury!
For example, do you know what happened to a young man called George in 1948 before he
became a terrorist? In July of 1948 he happen to return from Lebanon where he was
studying, to visit his parents in Palestine. He was forced with his family into the
desert by the Israeli army. In an effort to cleanse the land from Arabs, Zionist
leaders used many tactics such as massacres and psychological warfare. The houses
deserted by the Arabs were either destroyed or inhabited by Jewish immigrants. In
george's town (Ramle-Lydda) the Israeli Army massacred many people who were told by
the Haganah to hide in a mosque. Also, many of the women were raped by the Israelis.
When George was forced into the desert, he watched his people die of thirst and pregnant
women deliver dead babies. Most notably, like many others, he was forced to drink his
own urine to stay alive in the scorching desert heat. Others jumped on lactating women
to drink their milk to stay alive. (see a book by Michael Palumbo "the Palestinian
Catastrophe"). Do you now, in even any minute way, understand where the terrorist
George Habash came from?
Statistics indicate that for every Israeli civilian killed by an Arab, there are 30
Arab civilians killed by Israel. Probably a similar ratio applies for the maimed,
if not much worse noting Israel's frequent use of Napalm, cluster, phosphoric,
implosion bombs over Lebanon and the Palestinian refugees. This tells you a whole
lot about the motives behind your injury.
Having suffered so much, you have an authority to set a powerful example of
forgiveness and tolerance, to help end this morbid cycle of violence. But
unless you recognizes that JUSTICE --taken away from the Palestinians by Israel--
as a MAJOR component for peace, then peace is still beyond the horizon.
25 Mar 2000
Just wanted to say thank God someone is willing to tell the truth
from lisa
24 Mar 2000
This is great website and it is showing the Zionisim as it is, and you need more
efforts to show the discrimination and the racisim of it to every body in the
world.
Thank you and hope you keep up, wishing you all prosperty and luck.
Suleiman M. Tu*
Jordan - Amman
22 Mar 2000
Hello,
You have stood up for truth. You have challenged mainstream perceptions about
the Middle East. Your site offers the unpolished truth. For all this, I would
like to thank you and to encourage you to keep going at it. I have bookmarked
your site and regularly visit for updates. I'll include it in the links on my
website.
The struggle continues,
Solidarity forever,
V (South African)
e-mail: sekunj*
21 Mar 2000
A Very Good Site, indeed!
Good luck,
Iris B* (From Israel)
21 Mar 2000
Hi Sam,
This excellent site was just forwarded to me by a Jewish anti-Zionist friend who
works as tirelessly as you to correct this injustice. I have a few points/
responses to other feedback and a story of my own.
My story is unrelated except in how lies can change one's perceptions. Recently
my husband and I have been involved in a struggle with one of his brothers over
some property. The mess has been exacerbated by the involvement of his
controlling father who, regardless of any concensus we reach overturns whatever
progress results by insisting we follow his dictates. However, we have been
perplexed and even surprised by the apparent anger of the other siblings and
their spouses (6 of them) and their unwillingness to discuss or even talk with
us. It took the courage of a friend of the family to finally reveal to us that
some (?all) of the siblins seem to have come to the opinion that we have written
my husband's sons out of our will. (We have a young son he has 2 who are in
their 20s. My husband and his ex were divorced for 8 years before we got
together. Since I am my husband's age and have known his family for 30 years
this is not a case of my being the much younger woman or !
new to the scene.) What it is is we are asure a deliberate attempt to discredit
us. What it is based on we cannot imagine. Because you see, we are only now in
the process of writing our wills. Someone, we suspect we know whom, decided to
create a rumor, present it as proof and because of the "disappointment" they are
feeling with us about the other problem has been able to turn this into fact.
Had I not been actively involved with the Palestinian question since the early
80s I would have thought this a unique situation. Sadly, I am all too familiar
with lies being used to trump up hatred and discord!
Now a few comments. While I was in Lebanon (82-83) I was told by several
persons within gand without the US Embassy- and I think it was accepted as well-
that prior to the 82 Israeli invasion and subsequent "removal" of PLO troops,
they (the PLO) had acted as unofficial "protectors" of the embassy. One rather
high level person at the embassy said they relied on information from several in
the PLO regarding safety and impending events. Whether this is really the case,
I don't know.
In answer to the person who asked while you are in this country (9 Feb 2000
comment) I can say thay I am here because my family has been for 16 generations.
I am NOT Jewish/Arab/Muslim but a pure WASP. I am therefore NOT native and can
be easily be called the descendant of settler colonialists. Be that as it may,
I fully support and agree with the information and establishment of this site.
I have seen first hand (including 4 years there) what is the reality and am sick
to death of hearing whining about the consequences of the actions taken by their
Israeli forebears. Perhaps the most absurd statement I used to hear was during
protests I'd attend with Palestinians. No matter where we were, protesting
Israel and its policies, someone would call out "Go Home!" Yeah, DUH, that's
what it's all about!
One last thing, you may want to include these links at your site for those who
may wish to obtain books that are hard to find. I have found them very helpful.
www.abebooks.com and www.bookfinder.com. Thanks again for your site
Lisa Ca******
Thank you for sharing this, and for your kind comments. The bookfinder is my
favorite, and I do have it listed at the bottom of the book page. The abebooks
is, I think, a subset of bookfinder. Best --Sam
16 Mar 2000
Hi, I am an artist named Michael Co*****, *****@mdi.ca who lives in northern
British Columbia. As I have been going thru a bitter battle in get my last
painting ready for an art gallery in Vancouver, this Zionism rot attacking my
art egged on by the evil Black Lodge magicians, I decided to check out Zionism
on the web. The only anti-Zionism site was a bunch of Jews who I couldn't get
to as it's a dead end web site. I have some insights into the MidE situation
you might find enlightening. They are not complex, but simmple, for the truth
of the situation from HeART, from God's cosmic expression of love, is very
simple. I read thru your reports, they are very true. It is nothing more than
murder going on, in Chechnya, Afghanistan, Pakistan/India, Indonesia, Bosnia and
the MidE. Basically thru art I have been led to this simple view of the heart
thru painting bringing me to the level where I now see where instead of mankind
taking a 3rd planetary step using art, past the R!
enaissance and Reformation to lead mankind into seeing that one vision for a
just world and end of war. Mankind has been led into an error, away from God
thru Zionism and it is attacking me to maintain it's backwards step into a
central authority. That is what is happening in Bosnia and all over with the
Christian Muslims or Iraq Iran with Khomeini on the level with modern Judaism as
they took that step back towards a central Roman authority instead of this
Titanic step. This uraniumin in Iraq or Pakistan came from the evil black lodge
tricking the Jews into rushing into the past and setting up Zionism, browbeating
the other Jews who didn't go along and then attacking the art. Greek art for
new heaven new earth veggie new nature forms thru 75% of all work to express God
thru the provided leisure. But instead it is butcher Arabs thru Balfour
Declaration,s top Commonwealth thru Disraeli Wagner get rid of the rich and stop
the art, body orientated expression not spirit of Go!
d. So rockets jets, trash nature, fear Hitler (non-veggie) Einstein bomb
instead of HeART love. That is why they are back at Aug 1914 lesson Titanic
Serbia. Mankind has manifested God's higher nature around a materialistic
technology of their body not the spirit. I see that thru God's HeART! A whole
other slant of manifestation spiritually, culturally, for it is very simple. As
simple as Leonardo da Vinci saying change your slant and watch!
But we all follow an outer authority with an emotional grasping that trashes
that living inner spirit for it is inherent in such mechanisms to do so and that
is what happened to the Jews who questioned the wisdom of taking that backwards
step. So veggie India partitioned like Bangladesh, Buddhism stopped veggie
impulse and Korea, China, Viet Nam, stopped 3rd world industrialisation 3rd
world phoney oil shortage MidE military western christian conditioning. Red
Bible Mao destroyed Chinese culture instead of each culture expression itself
thru this art they abrogated.
So it is simple art wise. Heart! Living light seeing what God wanted to do
all over the planet and now it is defend a dead faith when the MidE should have
gone a whole different direction if the working classes hadn't gone into getting
the money with this evil trying to stop what the art was leading up to. Even
IRA Irish impulse angels new archetypes for nature thru art, Kennedy. Viet Nam
murder using us bible conditioning then Howard Stern defending against
perversion and same game against. That is how the MidE got where it is. I
watched Serbia from here with an ex-Serbia President's daughter. What a view!
People sucked into the World's game and blind to God's Kingdom. They get
tricked into thinking that it's in their interest to maintain their conditioning
and the conditioned modes murder mankind, kill the children so in 25 years with
the art they have lots of warped people, millions of cripples in Iran after the
Shah, etc etc. That is what art has led me to, f!
or this THE WAy or else comes down heavy. For art has a power that works with
each inner person's heart angel and takes one beyond the world and one can see
how each person being different reveals much about how the world works on
people. So in closing, it is sad to see what is happening to the Muslim people.
But that is such a mechanism playing on the more sensitive Jews. They got over
wrought by this fallen angels evil which pushes all the worldly buttons. And
the people respond to such low impulses for it's too hard too grow to God.
Thru this coming art impulse Renaissance much will be revealed, starting up in
months as this Aug 1914 karma comes up. Then we will see much for in the next
25 years this disembodied evil on the astral plane since Atlantis will try to
stop Heaven from manifesting and threatening their astral roosts they have built
up. It's simple, each angel in each heart one at a time having that chance to
see the art providing a new world and this ev!
il attempting to stop it. It is simple to see when one can accept the spirit
then one can see the technology, culture, and much that has occurred because
mankind value the animal nature and can't see how to change it thru art and the
angels, but still use fear and coercion, that is what Zionism fell into. They
should have taken that next 3rd step. And mankind is stuck, I see that with my
art. Very heavy clinging but their is nothing there, no living light no HeART,
everything that has been done there is of evil. And it is all about to fall
away. No kidding, for this new manifestation to end war will confront the whole
materialistic stance, thru creativity exposing the manifesting much that mankind
is unaware of. That is the spiritual key to Zionism. For on the higher planes
God's cosmic karma of the heart can only be released when it is a power that
heals and lifts thru His Majesty using Free Will. And that is fortunately for
me the power of HeART. Thank you and good!
luck. Bye!
14 Mar 2000
Greetings,
I found your site on Hezbollah's website, it is excellent in resources and
information, i'm pasting most of your resources and reviews on forums i find on
the web.
I really like to help you with this, i'm a Swedish girl and i'm into human
rights organizations, i like to reveal facts to people and not fear other
opinions.
First of all your site must have a domain and i really want to offer you that,
your site must be on all search engines especially Yahoo
maybe they didnot listed your site for zionist reasons?
As i told you before i really want to help you tell me how
maybe providing you with more reviews and articles or perhaps petitions and
organizations.
Why don't you create a money box for helping out those countries who are in need
like Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq ect...
You might wanna know why i'm doing this, i have a friend from Norway he was shot
in his head by Israel when he was in UN in Lebanon
his name is David.
This is not my main reason no, it is just that i cannot read stand there and do
nothing..i feel the urge to do something.
Thank you for your time listening and God bless you.
Abbey L****
14 Mar 2000
What is the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter?
Ah, but that depends what side you're on...
You see only your side, what about the terror that civilian targets
in Israel suffered?
Did you see the terrible pictures of dead children and people who suffered from
the bombs and the terror?
Nobody should suffer. Terror should be stopped in all the world.
Israel should get out of Lebanon, and the attacks should be stopped,
But if the terror and the attacks from Hizbollah continue, and there will be a
threat also after we get out of Lebanon, Israel should react.
Therefore, you must understand that for peace you need two sides, keep
fighting will not resolve anything.
Hoping you will get the message and we will see a better future for
both sides.
Your desire for peace is commended. However, unless you engage in a SERIOUS and
PAINFUL look at the cause/source of the Arab-Israeli conflict, then sadly, you will
remain far from understanding the real components of a solution and hence peace.
The true source of the conflict is the dispossession of a people --the Palestinians--
by another --the Zionists/Israelis. Unless you accept that, then you should quit
asking for peace -- that is, a justice-based peace.
True, both sides have suffered, but to imply symmetry of the suffering, as you do,
is heinous, especially in this case where one side is, ON THE WHOLE, clearly the
victimizer while the other is the victimized.
Since you mentioned civilian casualties, did you know that Arab CIVILIAN casualties
inflicted by Israel is about thirty (30) times more than Israeli due to the Arab
countries?!!!! If you say NO, then that tells you that you should check your source
of news and information about this conflict -- the same source that told you, simply,
that "both" sides have suffered, without even hinting at the truth, not to mention
tell you about Israel's original sins against the Palestinians, the cause of the
conflict.
To illustrate the one-sidedness of your information source, look at your
statement about Hizbollah. It implies that Israel is in Lebanon BECAUSE of
Hizbollah's attack on Israel. The facts however speak of a 180-degree different
scenario, namely that Hizbollah came into existence AFTER Israel's invasion of
Lebanon (killing 20,000 people) and continued occupation of parts of that country.
Therefore, you MUST understand that true peace requires justice for the victims.
Only this will bring true peace, and not just parroting of the naive rhetoric about
some generic peace where "both" sides are equally guilty/victims, as Israel's
propaganda version would have it, a peace which involves silencing of the victims.
6 Mar 2000
EXCELLENT WEBSITE...keep the articles coming.
Jawad Kha****
28 Feb 2000
fuck all arabes and fuck the hezbollah you shouled all die we shell
fuck you all in the as my name is ghead holly war and we shell
concord all lebanons and kill all the arebs in the whorld.T
The probleam is that you dont want peace if we shll make peace isral
army will live your land,lebanon.
leabnon is your land but you killed alot of israleis ,becuse of that we concord
lebanon.
The hezbollah is awepon that iran is using you,your blad is nafing
WE ARE ALL THE SAME BUT IF YOU WANT TO KILL US ITS O.K BUT WE SHELL
KILL YOU ALL!!!
25 Feb 2000
If you say Israel is an aggressor and occupier of southern Lebanon, what do you
have to say about Syrian occupation and rule of the rest of Lebanon?
please display in feedback
The purpose of this site is CLEARLY, REPEATEDLY and SPECIFICALLY stated as "The Case Against
Israel". It is not the case against Syria nor Mozambique. How clear do I need to be?
It has become a tactic of pro-Israel individuals in defending Israel and justifying her
actions, to point to the sins of other Arab countries, as though they are supposed to be
perfect. But that won't cut it. Just because some Arab countries are totalitarian or
whatever, does not mean that it is OK now for Israel to commit various atrocities against Arabs.
Nonetheless, I won't disappoint you! Let's compare Syrian "occupation" versus Israel's
occupation of parts of Lebanon, by asking some questions. But first, it must be noted that
the instability of Lebanon does affect the stability of Syria, but not the stability of Israel.
Also, the weakness of Lebanon has been exploited in the past by Israel to attack Syria.
So, Syria has an interest in ensuring a stable and strong Lebanon, so it maintains an army
there so long as there is no clear stability and a peace treaty with Israel.
Now onto some specific questions, regarding Syrian versus Israeli occupation of Lebanon:
- Does Syria routinely bomb Lebanon, including civilian areas, ambulances, hospitals,
schools, power stations and residential areas? No, Israel does.
- Does Syria expel Lebanese civilians from the area it occupies in Lebanon? No, Israel does.
- Does Syria steal Lebanon's fertile top-soil and water? No, Israel does.
- Does Syria use its "occupation" of Lebanon to market its product into Lebanon CUSTOM-FREE,
and bombs Lebanon whenever it tries to set custom barriers? No, Israel does.
- Does Syria maintain a prison/concentration-camp in its occupation zone where civilians,
including children and women are jailed and tortured, and which amnesty and other human-
rights organization have repeatedly criticized? No, Israel does.
- Does Syria train a proxy Army inside Lebanon that acts like a mafia gang? No, Israel does.
- Does Syria hold Lebanese hostages for years/decades hoping to exchange them in the future
with soldiers possibly held inside Lebanon? No, Israel does.
- Did Syria ever plan on occupying and annexing parts of Lebanon to its territory in the
1950s? No, Israel did. (For a revealing document on this issue see the diary of Moshe
Sharett's, Israel second prime minister, or quicker yet a study based on that called
"Israel's Sacred Terrorism" by Livia Rokach, available in this site in its entirety).
The difference is clear -- for those who want to see it.
Sam
23 Feb 2000
that could be cool if you can write in french. we are interest by
your freedom fight ! we have known the occupation and we never forgotten what is
it. All peoples need to feel to be free.
Je prefere d'ecrire en Englais -- particulierement pour te donner la chance de
pratiquer votre Englais. :)
22 Feb 2000
excellent site - have spent many hours reading this info - never heard of the
uss liberty before - absolutely outrageous this happened
are current members of congress informed of this?
many more hours of reading here before i get it all in - keep up the good work -
its good to hear the truth without the political slant
DBW
15 Feb 2000
Hello Sam,
You have an excellent site!! It is very important the world will know what is
really happens in this country..
goodluck!
Andy Yeh.
a non-zionist Israeli
12 Feb 2000
Posted prominently on your website should be an address where
Americans can send a contribution to Hezbollah. Since there seems to be little
we can do to prevent our tax dollars from going to your (and our) enemies I am
sure some of us would like to help however we can.
9 Feb 2000
I have no idea why you live in this country. Your twisted opinions
are your right, but It's quite clear what sort of man you are by the fact that
you carry on this ridiculous silent protest web page. Having served my country,
I obviously see things much differently than you. Regardless of this, I respect
your right to have these opinions and to freely express them. How very
convenient it is for you to live in this country and reap the benefits of
democracy and freedom while you curse it's name. Again I ask, why are you here?
I encourage you to return to your home where you most definately belong.
Response (A bit disjoint, sorry):
I live in this country (the US) because I love it and the wonderful people that live in it.
Many Americans are great friends of mine. What I do hate, however, is the heinous actions
of its leaders, and the media silence on those actions. There is a big difference between
"cursing the name of this country," in your words, which is something I wouldn't do, and
cursing the evil ACTIONS of the LEADERS atop it. The only reason that the majority of Americans
approve of a certain leaders' foreign policy, eg. the endless bombing and sanctions against
Iraq, is purely a media/PR achievement. The media has chosen not to "rock the boat" by not
challenging the absurdity of some of the claims and actions of the US leaders. So endless
bombing/killing-by-sanction Iraq and the Iraqis is "bombing Saddam" which is "necessary",
"humanitarian" and "not our fault," and financing Latin American murderers who continue to
massacre the population is "pushing for freedom and democracy" and bombing civilians from
10,000 feet with Napalm in Vietnam is "fighting communism".
In a true democracy, media is the watchdog for the people, for the poor and weak, and would
tell you about the ills of the country. Here, however, the media has become the opposite: a
brain-washing tool that manufactures public consent for the powerful and rich of DC instead,
trying to convince people that the actions of US leaders in Iraq are justified. And it works like a charm (look
for example at the approval polls of bombing anybody.. never low). Thanks to mainstream
media, the American people have been marginalized, as well as reduced into total yellow-ribbon
hanging ignorants, not to mention Pavlovian dogs, conditioned to react to stimuli by their
leaders regarding most foreign policy matters. So now, full coverage of Elian's return to
Cuba/staying in the US is real news. Around-the-clock coverage of JFK Jr's death, of OJ's
two-years trial, of Monica and Bill, and of Diana, all are real important news especially when
compared to the slaughter of tens of thousands of Kurds by the Turks who are supported and
armed by our lovely leaders.
Just because I do not follow the official line like a sheep, without questioning anything that
is being funded with my tax money, does not make me unpatriotic. In fact, by bringing out the
wrong doings of the US leaders, financed by my tax money, and calling for ending them, I am
displaying real patriotism. Maybe I should do like the average Joe: recline back on my couch,
with my big potato chips bag, and absorb the fit-to-print "news"-entertainment that mainstream
media has cosmetically prepared for my digestion. ... "we'll be back to more killing after
these messages."
This country is a country of immigrants, like your ancestors and myself. It was immigrants
like me that created the democracy and freedom you loud. True I reap the benefits of that
freedom and democracy, but I give more than my share in return. For one thing, aside from my
tax money, I inform the American people about the ills of this country. But certainly, as an
immigrant and a real patriot, I don't ever see myself telling an immigrant to "return to their
home where they most definitely belong."
Note that I don't consider "serving one's country" to mean that one jumps on every war the
corrupt leaders have created. I do consider Serving one's country, though, to include defending
it from aggressors, something I will gladly participate in. Since WWII, however, there hasn't
been any such defensive and just action; only several genocidal campaigns here and there that
the US leaders have herded the public, with media help, to join or have sponsored in other
countries.
The facts are, as seen by the weak of the world, is that the US government has become a world
bully, riding a giant war-machine, serving to cow little countries and their population with
lethal sanctions and bombs.
Your response indicates that you are a victim of media propaganda. If you really care about
this country, as much as I do, you would try to fix it and its foreign policy of endless
interventionisms and murders. But first, you have to turn your TV off and cancel your
subscription to mainstream press. Start by reading news sources all over the world via the
Internet, Europe and elsewhere, and check out the sources I refer to on my site.
Then, you can either continue on in your denial, empty sloganeering and blind patriotism, that
are highly propaganda-based, or you can develop an open mind about everything, and start
questioning US foreign policy and the heroism you have been told about since you were little,
from the point of view of the people who suffer from the US warmachine. For example, you can
start by asking yourself few questions: is it humane that "we" kill 1.5 million Iraqis, mostly
children, to get Saddam -- a murderer -- to obey our decrees, not to mention save ourselves few
cents on gas? Was it humane to use Depleted Uranium, cluster bombs against Iraq and Serbia,
and bomb CIVILIAN infrastructures, all while trumpeting "HUMANITARIAN" interventionism? Why
did the US topple a democratically elected government in Iran in 1953 and install a US-puppet
in its place (the Shah)? Could it be that US leaders don't give a damn about democracy; just
about oil and money? (In light of this, next time before you ask, say an Iranian, or anyone, to
leave the US, you should dig into history books and try to find out if your leaders have done
something to mess these countries up. Chances are they have.. from supporting African dictators
who slaughter their people to backing South American murderers, US leaders have done it all).
Could it be that the shaking of fundamental "truths" about US foreign policy in which you have
been indoctrinated since youth, is what really bothered you so much about my site?
Once you start asking yourself these logical questions, AND in addition pursue serious neutral
non-"patriotic" answers to them, then you are on your way to getting a clue on the situation.
Maybe then you'll thank me for what I have done to wake you and others up, instead of lecturing
me about patriotism.
Sam
9 Feb 2000
Hi there !
First of all, excellent site with lots of info about middle-east !
My knowledge of Lebanon-Israel conflict is very poor, however,
because could be that I'm joining the UN Peace Keeping Forces (FINNBATT),
I've tried to collect some background information about situation there.
After reading a book of Finnish officer, who served in FINNBATT, I must
say I'm very confused. All things I've thought this way ended up that way.
I realised I didn't know anything about it.
I've always thought Israel is some kind of "companion in misfortune" of
Finland and is peace-loving nation as us. I understand that Israel's
government's thoughts and actions aren't necessary thoughts and actions of
civilian people out there, but my thoughts has changed very much now.
I don't want to get involved of politics in any form, but I must say
I'm wondering what are the purpose of Israel actions in Lebanon ?
Can't understand that.
Although all my sympathies are for Lebanon, not Israel, I understand that
if and when I'll go to FINNBATT, I must forget all these prejudices of
mine and get focused to be neutral between parties. But that ain't going
to be easy, especially now, when situation there seems to be really hot.
I want to clarify that my knowledge of situation there are poor and
this is only MY opinion of things.
I don't want to insult anyone, if I did, I want to apologize, that wasn't
my purpose.
Yours, Janne H.
8 Feb 2000
From Lane Russell
dan_electro56u2@yahoo.com (you can display my e-mail--I don't object)
Salam!
I wrote to you some time ago and wondered whether you would answer and what
and what your answer would be. I checked back intermittently to see if you had
written back--I was pleased with the answer you gave--even though the words are
now fading from my memory. No matter--I can read them again when I'm finished here.
Be sure indeed I will look up the references you have sent--this conflict
interests me greatly--and though I feel no differently on this subject than when I
last wrote, I do want the complete story.
I have had a lot of opportunity to listen to the news of this country,
and I am convinced that the news media here cannot be trusted any more than
Arab or Israeli news--our illustrious President's "accidental" bombing of a Chinese
embassy in Belgrade and subsequent media furor over Chinese spies in American government
have convinced me that my government thinks I possess no real inelligence.
And you are correct in one observation--my sources of information are limited--
even more so than when I last wrote--and so I shall peruse the information
you have provided and write back when I have anything of interest.
By the way, thank you for your response to my letter--even though
we are prejudiced to our own respective views, I am glad you cared enough about
to respond with intelligence and information.
Y'verechechah Adonai v'yshmerechah.
Lane Russell
7 Feb 2000
WHAT ABOUT THE 500 MARINES ATTACKED BY LEBONIZE TERORISTS IN
LEBONAN? EXPLAIN THAT AND MAYBY I'LL LISTEN. A VIETNAM VETERAN!
Lebanon's civil war was one of the bloodiest this century. The U.S. government made
a grave mistake to interfere. Keeping the peace is one thing, but taking sides is
another. The US took sides and physically got involved in the war by bombarding the
other side. It is only natural for that other side to try to avenge against the US.
In addition, the Shiite/Hizbollah faction that bombed the Marines, sympathize and are
backed by Iran. The US has overthrown a democratically elected government in Iran in
1953, then installed and backed the Shah against the will of the people of Iran. Thus
it is only natural for Iran to resent the US.
What's really outrageous is that Israel (according to defected Mossad officer Victor
Ostrovsky) found out about the suicide operation, which killed 241 (not 500) marines,
BEFORE it took place. The Israelis didn't care to inform their "allies" saying
something to the effect of "Why should we notify them; the Americans are big boys
and they can take care of themselves."
Maybe now you'll listen!!
5 Feb 2000
fuck u
(From Israel)
The truth is indeed painful. However, an Israeli who acknowledges it and sets about to
correct the mistakes of his countrymen, is an honorable and a courageous person.
1 Feb 2000
nice page 2 bad it's shows only one side of each story.
Thanks.
Showing one side of the story is actually the mission of this page. I must have written
this about a million times in this feedback and mission pages. On the front page close
to the title the following statement appears clearly: "The Case Against Israel", which
summarizes it all.
This page should serve to balance the media distortions about what's going on in the
Middle East. In other words, if you want something to "balance" what's in this site,
check out mainstream media. But I presume this is what you have already been doing,
otherwise you would not have thought that my site was one-sided!
30 Jan 2000
the only solution i can think of is to kill every jew muthafucka on the planet
cos they are the lowest form of life in the universe.they should be tortured and
killed in the slowest way possible.my shit is worth more than every jew
muthafucka in the world.its a pity that world war 2 ended when it did cos it
didnt give hitler enough time to finish what he started.fuck every jew and their
mothers.fuck the peace deals.we need to rid the world of the disease known as
judaism.only then will we have peace.
keep up the excellent work with the site and please show this letter as i know a
lot of people who feel the same as i do.ALLAHUAKBAR
Arabs and especially Palestinians, have suffered a lot at the hands of the Zionists.
But in no way does one immoral actions by some Jews justifies violence and death
against all Jews in general. Revenge makes the Arabs murderers as well. Not to
mention that "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".
The mission of this site is to promote justice and human rights through dissemination
of truth, and by dispelling the myths. It is not intended to be used to promote hatred
and death. If we want true peace, we have to learn to forgive and live alongside the
Israelis.
27 Jan 2000
i think the only terror organization is hizballa.
you all live in a big lie.
i want to have peace with you like everyone in israel but not in any price.
why don't you show pictures of the idf soldiers without arms or legs or head?
you use terror against us and that is the only reason for all the killing
between the 2 nations. thats also the reason the idf is still in lebbanon.
if u want true peace stop all the killing. we lose soldiers, and u lose
soldiers.
dont u want to stop it?
and we both know that u dont have a chance to beat the idf. we r much stronger
than u!
See response to the previous person.
26 Jan 2000
hello
my name is shlomi
what iam about to say is what meny peale think hear
if we put an efort to stop hating and start talking
i think it will be more easy to lebanon and israel to go to normal live
i know you sufer alot from this war
and so are we
but if you want to put an end to it do it by talk
i will be more then hapy to support a pease white lebanon
but if ill have to fight ill fight to the end
the idf shold redrall from south lebanon
and leave lebanon alone
i think they are basicly a good peaple
but even agood peaple that tray to kill you it the enemy
same as we are to you
same as you are to us
we can stop that
my e mail is
m_szu@hotmail.com
if you like to responce
But before we "start talking" I would like to inform you of something important. I want to
tell you about what your forefathers have done to the Palestinians. Fair enough? So
please bear with me as I open some wounds. After all, we have been listening for 5 decades
to what Hitler did to you! In fact we can't turn a corner without finding a memorial for
it; we can't flip a TV channel without hearing about the Holocaust. Movies, papers,
textbooks, everywhere it is the Holocaust, and sometimes ONLY the Holocaust. (Sadly for
its victims, the Holocaust has been turned into a propaganda machine by/for Israel, to
justify its quest for land, and to silence criticism of Israel). Only few know for example,
who the Armenian are, let alone know about their Holocaust at the hands of the Turks.
Now it is the Palestinians' turn to tell you about their Holocaust .... at the hands of
your forefathers! Indeed you, Israelis, have become the Palestinians' Nazis!
OK, now visit my site (again), because telling the world about the victimization of the
Palestinians by Zionism and Israel is what this site is all about. Unless you understand
the importance for doing that --telling the world about it, just like the importance of
telling the world about the Holocaust-- you will never go beyond the little clashes of
Palestinians/Arabs and Israelis, and will settle for an empty peace that is for the naive
only. Only when you comprehend the whole conflict, and hence the victimization of
Palestinians by Israel, that you will be able to understand the justice DUE the Palestinians.
Only then will you be qualified to engage in talking about TRUE peace.
There is a difference between your present suffering (Israeli at the hands of Palestinians/
Arabs) and "ours" (Palestinian/Arab at the hands of Israelis). To this conflict there is a
clear ORIGINAL SIN. And it is a major sin, that you have been shielded from by layers
upon layers of propaganda, in addition to your desire not to see something that might
make you a partner to the crime. This sin is that Zionism has dispossessed Palestinians,
indigenous people of the land they used to live on when Jews arrived in late 1800s. The
land the Jews came to WAS inhabited by those Palestinians. Israel has ethnically cleansed
them to make space for a state that will be "as Jewish as England is English" (Chaim
Weizmann). When the locals naturally resisted their slow uprooting by a foreign force
their resistance was called terrorism, which was used as an excuse to kick more and more
of them out. Each time the Palestinian resisted, Israel would kick more of them out
using the security excuse. Expulsion and dispossession of Palestinians is part-and-parcel
with Zionsim, which calls for Palestine as a land "for Jews only".
Did you know that many of the 3.5 Million Palestinians, who use to live where you do today,
still fester in refugee camps? Do you know that 2.5 Million of them live under the brutal
occupation of Israel (now enforced by the Palestinian Authority)? Usually when you buy a
stolen item you are considered an accomplice to crime. This is your sin today -- living on
stolen property. Unless you recognize the ORIGINAL SIN of your fathers, and move immediately
to compensate those Palestinians for the wrong that was done to them by your leaders, then
talk NOT about sincerely wanting peace.
The trouble Israel's having in Lebanon is of its own creation. Hizbollah didn't exist when
Israel went into Lebanon Killing 20,000, mostly civilians, in an attempt to crush Palestinian
nationalism. (That's more people killed than all Jews who were killed in all of Israel's wars,
terrorism, and any death that is Arab-caused.) Hizbollah is a byproduct of Israel's invasion
and continued occupation of S. Lebanon, not the other way around. The number of Israeli
civilians that died because of all of Hizbollah's cross-border shellings over 15 years is
around 16 people (according to IDF stats), which is about the same that die in an above
average Israeli air-raid. Also, compare that with the 2,000 Lebanese/Palestinian death in
1978 in Israel's mini invasion then, or with Sharon/Eitan's Sabra and Shatila outcome.
Fact is that Israel needs the free-custom market to its product that Lebanon was turned into by
Israel and its allies; it needs Lebanon's fertile soil and its water resources. Almost every
Hizbollah shelling of Israel was preceded by an Israeli atrocity in Lebanon. So, if Israel's
concern were really security it should stop illiciting Hizbollah shelling by halting its
Lebanon operations or continued occupation of the southern part.
You see, my site serves to tell you about all that stuff. But you dont want to look. You don't
want to hear of Israel's original crime; your minds have already been made up because you "know"
the story and don't want to hear more. You can't imagine that this land you are living on was
somebody else's and that your fathers have ethnically cleansed them of it. Becaues once you
do, you should start by paying reparations (like the Germans pay Jews/Israel) and restitute
the Palestinians. Only then Israel will be said to be serious about peace, and not the
present crap called "peace process".
So, you continue living in your fictional world of gentle but heroic Israelis who just want
to live a peaceful life ... alongside evil Palestinians, whose purpose in life is just to
prevent the Israelis from enjoying that life.
11 Jan 2000
I have tried to get your page several times and been told by geocities that they
know nothing about you!! Obviously I have found you again. You might want to
clear this up with geocities.
(right now , incidently i am looking for sources for the UN resolutions on
palestine and on israeli land ownership )
11 Jan 2000
SAM,
This site is absolutely fantastic. thank you.
well done on the best site i have ever come accoss, informative, interesting and
generally excellent.
i was recently shocked by a paper by Noam Chomsky on the middle east in which he
revealed many disturbing truths about isreal-american relations and their joint
handling of the palestine situation. i was looking more of his work up when i
came accross your site, which is not just filled with articles by Chomsky but
also provides me with material from more authors who want to see some good in
this world, some justice done.
i will be reading these pages for a very long time.
by the way, Sam, where does your interest come from about the middle east?
take care,
sarah
stonerose9@***
2 Jan 2000
hi
im a 25 year old student in israel.
and i was very pleased to read your site, and the alternative information it
offers.
its not easy to come across this kind of information within israel.
keep up the good work.!
11 Dec 1999
i like this site because it gives us a new source of information and
i hope it includes all the parties in themiddleEast Arabs and Jews andmore
importantly makesure itis full of facts and dates by comparing all the
attacks/destruction , massacres and number of dead suffered on hands of israel
verses all attacks and number of casualties suffered on hands of arabs.
We'llkeepchecking. Please try to advertise this site. my name is hanito, my
email address is ***
10 Dec 1999
I stumbled accross your site by chance, but never have I been so impacted by
anything I have ever seen. I can truly say that what your people are going
through is the REAL holocaust. The ignorance displayed by the masses, including
the media, who are more of a problem than a solution, is what is displayed to
most of the world on a daily basis, however, very few really understand the
nature of the conflict and injustice you are suffering. I am not a moslem, but
deeply respect your cause and faith.
The children's suffering may not appeal to the sympathetic, money hungry
lobbyist in the USA, as much as the VERY powerful zionist lobby in the USA, but
it certainly raises some concerns as to what the "supposedly" greatest contry on
earth is doing against a culture and civilization that has been around for
thousands of years and is only rightly claiming that which is their birthright.
Keep up the fight. The world is watching.
Salam Aleikum.
Michael Lloyd
8 Dec 1999
Incredible page! All the thoughts and ideas and knowledge I have about this
subject...
I never expected to find them all, in their entirety, in their diversity
on this page. Your page doesn't miss a thing and covers every single point
in this dilemna. I haven't seen a page so precise and so full of information
concerning this
subject on the net. Excellent work! I wonder though if I'll find this page here
next time I come since such information is (unofficially) banned! Jews will
send e-mails to Geocities and call you anti-semetic as is typical of them.
I greatly commend you for your efforts and hope that everyone will one day
understand the truth in these matters. This page is an example of how this
truth can be learned. Now if only a newspaper or publisher accepts to publish
this which I doubt they would because of the Cohens and Horowitzs out there in
high places
in the press.
Adnan Bek****
29 Nov 1999
My name is Saif A****, I am a British Iraqi and my email address is
Dear Sam,
I found your site by chance while searching for a related topic on one of the
big search engines.
Your site is extremely well researched and once I have read it all, I will be
able to offer you some constructive comments. What I have read so far has been
very interesting and informative. Well done!
My question to you is, what can we do, collectively, to help stop the injustice
in the Middle East?
I would also like to draw your attention to a British charity which collects
donations for the sick and hungry in Iraq. It's address is www.mariamappeal.com
and if you see fit, I'm sure it would make a suitable link.
14 Nov 1999
Very informative.
Keep up the good work.
Omar F.
13 Nov 1999
An American concerned about human rights worldwide (mistanight@..)
God your site is excellent. but for your sake, i think it would be best if you
made a backup copy of this site on at least two other sites. Because if the
zionist propoganda machine puts pressure on geocities about this being a "hate"
site or something geocities might remove it. so if i were you i'd make a backup
copy. but its excellent keep up the good work. oh yeah and i think you should
get it out more often. try and expose this address to people. good luck and
may God be with you.
11 Nov 1999
Wow!
That's the first thing I could think of when I visited your site.
Keep it up. It is very refreshing to have your site.
Hussam Ay.
5 Nov 1999
Dear Sam:
I have been frequenting your wonderful site for almost a month and a half. I
stumbled upon this site while I was doing a site review of www.hezbollah.org.
The facts provided in your site are very accurate and I am not just saying that
because of my personal biases. Mind you no one is without biases. Although I am
in a rush right now, I am going to print the entire site, with all the links and
will present it to my classmates, many of them are misinformed about the reality
of the situation in Middle East. Every time I have attempted to speak with them
regarding the current situation in the Middle East, they simply respond by
stating "That's not what our parents told us". Keep up the wonderful site and I
will write to you soon once I review everything in your website.
Take care.
EK
York University
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
27 Oct 1999
Peace brothers.
Why do not you react against the Syrian occupation of Libanon. Is it because
they are not jewish? How many innocent people have Hizbollah killed in northern
Israel with its rockets? Do not you think Israel would whithdraw from southern
Libanon if Hizbollah stopped its terror in the nortern villages of Israel? What
would happend in that case? Do you want peace or not with Israel?
>Why do not you react against the Syrian occupation of Libanon.
This site is about "the case against Israel". This is clearly stated in the mission
statement and under the title of the first page. Look elsewhere for Syrian "occupation"
of Lebanon. (You may also want to compare the two occupations, Syria over Lebanon
and Israel over Palestine. Can't find Syrian settlements in Lebanon, theft of Lebanese
water, refugeeing half of the population and not allowing them to comeback, etc.)
>Is it because they are not jewish?
Huh? Get that complex out of your brain. Stop whining about *Jewish* victimization
in the Middle East, and for just a second look at Israel's victimization of the entire
Palestinian population as the cause of the conflict.
>How many innocent people have Hizbollah killed in northern Israel with its rockets?
According to IDF accounts (see http://www.idf.il/English/factss/civilian.htm)
a total of NINE Israeli civilians died from 1085-1998 on the Israeli-Lebanese border
due to Hizbollah shelling. Compare that with over 20,000 Lebanese and Palestinians.
over the past twenty years! Better yet, add all the Israeli casualties caused by
Hizbollah, Hamas, PLO, PFLP, DFLP, Abu Nidal, etc, over the past 30 years. The
total is still less than what Sharon alone killed in Sabra and Shatila in 1982.
>Do not you think Israel would whithdraw from southern Libanon if Hizbollah stopped
>its terror in the nortern villages of Israel?
First, Israel's raids are not in response to "Hizbollah's terror on northern Israel."
It is in response to Hizbollah's resistance to the Israeli forces inside Lebanon.
Each time Hizbollah attacks these occupying forces, as they have the right to do by
international law, Israel bombs Lebanese civilians. ONLY THEN Hizbollah bombs Northern
Israel. Furthermore, Israel covets many things Lebanon has, like the Litani river, the
fertile top-soil, the custom-free market for its products, etc.
>Do you want peace or not with Israel?
Even Hitler wanted peace. The question always is: on whose terms? The "peace"
Israel is offering is on her terms, which includes zero justice for the Palestinians.
Actually, the peace Israel is offering is just a masked way of continuing the
occupation and subjugation of the Palestinians, under the cover of peace. Such
"peace" will never live to see the light.
16 Oct 1999
Thank you so much !!!!!!!!!
It is so refreshing seeing a website dedicated to the truth. I have had just
about enough of all the crap we keep hearing in the news today.It is truly
shocking how a poor and defencless people who have been opressed and made to go
through such a tough situation for so long, like the Palestinians, are regularly
portrayed as the villians of the conflict, while a "country" like Israel, a
"country" whose entire existence is based racism and benefits given to one race
of people, with all its weapons and bombs, with all the wars it started and
massacres it commited, is still being portrayed as weak and innocent. We still
hear myths about Israel, the peace loving nation, being surrounded on all sides
by barbaric terrorists, and frankly, listening to this rubbish makes me sick to
my stomach.
What is also disgusting is how everyday, we hear reasons that supposedly justify
the destruction of Iraq, and the starvation of its people. All to suppoesedly
stop this one man. What gives America the right to do this??
Let me end this by congratulating you for providing one of the few sources of
the truth in this era, an era were destruction and murder are justified if they
acheive one's "intersets", and were the truth can be covered by shameless
propaganda.Thank you, and keep up the good work.
10 Oct 1999
Sam -- An impressive and extraordinary site. I feel like a kid in a candy store.
Everything is available at the stroke of the hand. If I have any questions
regarding the Mideast, this is the first place I will turn from now on.
Of particular interest is your Gulf War section. I have had deep suspicions the
destruction of Iraq was the U.S. intention all along. The signs all pointed in
that direction. When I try to explain my position to people, they are
unbelieving, to say the least. Too many Americans tend to take our leaders
words at face value (including the media) and that we are just too moral to
stoop that low. Unfortunately, they are wrong. Your site has armed me with more
details and facts to prove my case. Thanks.
Regarding the Israeli/Palestinian issue -- Well, we all know how deeply
frustrating it is to witness this horrific injustice done to the Palestinians,
abetted by US taxpayer money, and that no one is willing to even talk about! It
is such a taboo subject, not even liberals will touch it (Iraqi sanctions
included). Why so quiet? It is disturbing.
I have only one small gripe, and it may not be a legitimate one, but it bothers
me nonetheless: An article you have about the Khazars entitled, "Israel Can't
Hide From Its History Forever" by Greg Felton (I believe in Miscellaneous), says
the Khazar empire lasted until the Mongol invasions of the 13th century which
forced the Jewish population to flee to Poland, Russia, Germany, etc. I looked
Khazars up in the Encyclopedia Britannica which states: "When Svyatoslav, the
ruler of Kiev, launched a campaign against the Khazars (965), Khazar power was
crushed. Although the Khazars continued to be mentioned in historical documents
as late as the 12th century, by 1030 their political role in the lands north of
the Black Sea had greatly diminished." Now, if they were only mentioned until
the 12th century, how does he come up with the Mongol invasion of the 13th
century? This makes me question the whole story. Do you know of a more
reputable source than E.B. to prove his point?
Other than that, this site is superb. Thank you for bringing it to the
internet. I hope many people find their way here because it is truly one of a
kind.
Cheri H
9 Oct 1999
Salam
Thank you SO much for this, its PERFECT!!!
A sister
5 Sep 1999
Salam aleikum,
I think you have an amoazing web site, in fact it's the best site I have ever
seen. It is about a very important subject and is amazingly convincing and
readable educational material congradulations! I am making my own site and
would greatly appreciate it if I could use some of the quotations you have used
and I would credit you on my page, this is just to back up some points I will
make. Please reply to ****
24 Aug 1999
hello,
May God bless you for the efforts you are putting and supporting Justice.
Those are the successful ones who fear God and not the Great Satan of our time
America, Britain, Russia & ISRAEL .
21 Aug 1999
Dear Sam,
As a Gulf War Veteran who served over in that region of the world,
just wanted you to know, that as I continue to search for answers
to mine and many other Gulf War veterans health problems you have what appears
to be a very interesting site on current events of the Middle East...I'll
continue to do research and verify your site for accuracy, but I must admit, so
far it seems legit! Keep up the accurate and enlightning work!
Sincerely,
pdl_ftcky
20 Aug 1999
From: Elisa V.
Found you on the internet at the Brooklyn Public Library, thrilled
to see info. Printed some of it to take with me.
I have worked for over a decade for Palestinian Human Rights. Am a member of
Palestine Aid Society and Palestine Education Committee.
Am also a born again christian (since the age of eleven). Will continue to read
more of your information in the near future.
17 Aug 1999
Sam,
You have done a good job of compiling information here. For the uninformed
person it would be easy to come to the conclusion that you try to lead people
too. Now, I haven't the urge to try and change your mind, as I am not sure
that it can be done.
I do want to address several points. First, your comment regarding the Talmud
superseding the Torah is incorrect. It does not. Secondly, the childish
bickering and attmept by people on both sides to paint the other as racist is
foolish. For every example you provide of "Israeli aggression" I can counter
with Arab/Muslim. And what happens then? We both stand around smearing mud
on each other, and we both lose. If you are truly interested in bringing peace
than you will be active in verifying the information posted on this site.
It is inaccurate to refer to eastern Jerusalem as "Arab" because today, Jews
are the majority in eastern Jerusalem. In fact, the Jewish population has been the
largest community in Jerusalem since 1840, and for 3,000 years, Jerusalem has been the
capital of the Jewish people. The city has never been even a provincial capital nor a
major cultural or economic center under Arab rule.
There was a vibrant Jewish population living in eastern Jerusalem before the
Jordanian Arab Legion occupied it and expelled the Jews in 1948. In 1967, Israel
captured eastern Jerusalem in a defensive war, restoring its Jewish presence.
During the years under Jordanian rule, all Jews and Israeli Christians were barred
from Jerusalem's holy places, a blatant violation of the 1949 Armistice agreement.
Jordan set out to obliterate all traces of Jerusalem's Jewish heritage by desecrating
Jewish graves and destroying the Jewish quarter and 58 synagogues.
The claim to historical Arab rule in Jerusalem is tenuous. The Jordanian de-facto
control in eastern Jerusalem in 1948-1967 was recognized only by two countries.
Tellingly, no Arab state recognized the Jordanian claim. The only other period in
which any part of Jerusalem was ruled by Arabs was from the seventh to the eleventh
centuries, ending with the Crusades.
As for the Palestinian claim that eastern Jerusalem should be the capital of a
Palestinian state, it's just that - a claim. It does not justify the term "Arab
east Jerusalem." Indeed, the U.S. government has avoided using that term. The
media's inaccurate use is prejudicial because it adopts the Arab position in advance
of final-status talks between Israel and the Palestinians.
That's about it for now. Neither side has clean hands, but lets try and present
a more balanced picture. Peace is coming, and no one can stop it. The best
that they can do is slow it down.
Al-Muaddi
>You have done a good job of compiling information here. For the uninformed...
Thanks
>First, your comment regarding the Talmud superceding the Torah is incorrect.
>It does not.
The Torah is open to countless interpretations. To classical/Orthodox Jews, the
ultimate interpretation of the Torah are set in the Talmud. Judaism is not a
biblical religion, as many mistakenly think. The old Testament (of which the Torah
is a part) do not hold the central place and legal authority in Judaism as it does
in Christianity. So, it is because the Talmud has the final say and interpretation
of an issue over the Torah, that I stated that the Talmud supersedes the Torah. And
in that sense it does. Check out the enlightening book by Israel Shahak's
"Jewish History, Jewish Religion" available online in its entirety at:
http://www.codoh.com/zionweb/zishahak/zishahakan01.html
>the childish bickering and attmept by people on both sides to paint the other
>as racist is foolish. For every example you provide of "Israeli aggression" I
>can counter with Arab/Muslim.
You are here implying that both sides are *equally* wrong, which is FAR, FAR from
being true. For every "Palestinian aggression" you will mention, (especially those
committed after 1948, 1967, and 1982), I can counter with an Israeli action that
*CAUSED* it!!! The ultimate reason for Palestinian terror though, will always be
their dispossession by Israel. The difference is clear. The issue here is that of
one side being the aggressor -- at least more so than the other. But regardless,
this site is clearly made (see mission) for the purpose of presenting "The Case Against
Israel," an important prerequisite to justice, and thus final settlement and peace.
>If you are truly interested in bringing peace than you will be active in
>verifying the information posted on this site.
Since I know the respectability and reliability of all the sources -- or at lease
the vast majority of them, (in case I slipped here and there)-- from which I obtained
the information on my site, I will take your comment, about verifying the information
presented, to mean that you find the horrible Israeli actions and policies listed herein
to be "unbelievable"!!! With that I concur.
>Neither side has clean hands, but lets try and present a more balanced picture.
Again you're implying the equality/balance of the wrong-doings by each side.
If the truth of a conflict is imbalanced, as is the case here, then no fair person
should be asked to present a "balanced" picture. When you address the Nazi genocide
of Jews, you will very likely not present a balanced picture, i.e. portraying the
Jews as equally wrong, right? (True, the magnitude of either case is different, but
both involve the basic idea of trying to get rid of another people). But regardless,
the purpose of this site, again, is to present the case against Israel, only. I state
that clearly in the mission statement and elsewhere.
>In 1967, Israel captured eastern Jerusalem in a defensive war
Quite interesting indeed. Your version of history is slowly emerging. Check the
1967 war section at my site, especially statements made by Begin (about Nasser not
wanting war) and Dayan (about the Golan heights and how Israel provoked Syria on
purpose to justify its ensuing expansionist policies). Jordan had a treaty to help
Egypt if the latter was attacked, which it was. And Israel knew that, and hence
that Jordan would join in --thus justifying the ensuing conquering of E. Jerusalem
as "self-defense"-- if Israel attacks Egypt. If Syria's was gonna attack Israel,
why did it not do anything when Israel was attacking Egypt the first 3 days of
the war before Israel decided, for the hell of it, to conquer the Golan. Actually,
one of the best work summarizing the fraud in Israel's 1967 self-defense allegation,
is a chapter in Norman Finkelstein's "Image and reality of the Israel Palestine
Conflict". Powerful. You'll never look at Israel the same way you do after reading
that chapter, let alone that book. But I doubt you have the courage to do so.
It is a violation of the 4th Geneva Convention for an occupying country to transfer
population into the land it occupies. If Israel conquered the land to defend itself,
why did it then, immediately start building settlements on it, expel inhabitants,
steal most of the water resources there, subjugate the population with torture,
repression, suffocate their towns with closures and curfews, demolish their homes, etc.
Could Israel have coveted that land before that war, and that the Arab threat was
just a pretext for occupying that land? Then after occupying that land, could Rabin
really be making sense when he says that Israel will "create in the course of the
next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of
the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan," and hence that he just
covets Arab land?
Israel still hasn't really declassified its 1967 archive for historians to dig in,
like it did for 1948. For that war, check out the myth-debunking works by Israeli
historians: Ilan Pappe, Simha Flapan, Benny Morris and Tom Segev. Check out also
Moshe Sharett's diaries describing Israel's actions against the Arabs and its plans
for Lebanon in the 1950. Not to mention Ben-Gurion's war diaries. When you do, you
will form a different image of Israel than the one you currently seem to have.
On the Issue of Jerusalem (check also www.acj.org):
First, today's occupied (according to the UN) East Jerusalem is manyfold the size
of the pre-1967 one, after Israel expanded it into the occupied (also according
to the UN) West Bank, on confiscated Palestinian land. Today's Jewish majority
which you mention is a result of a quite ethnic cleansing of non-Jews, via house
demolition, denial of building permits, and residency withdrawal, not out of the
natural/benign reasons implied by you. Regardless, the legality of the ownership,
or the "historical right" of some people over the other do not justify the inhumane
practices Israel apply to Palestinian-Jerusalemites today, which is what concerns
me. But to use the "historical right" argument, what if the Palestinians claim
similar right based on a Canaanites ancestry, which preceded the Jewish control
of the land?? I am just following your kind of argument, to show you how ridiculous
the concept of historical right is. In that sense, an Indian might come in one
day and kick you out of your, say L.A. home, because the land it's built on, was
once owned by his great, great, great, etc, grandfather, and because he believes,
according to his holy books, that he has historical right to it, more than you do.
So you see, if one were to accept the historical right argument, chaos and murder
would break in the world, like the one breaking in Palestine/Israel over the past
fifty years, that the media describes as unexplainable Palestinian terrorism.
(Interestingly enough, Barak slipped last year admitting the misery of the
Palestinians and their wretched state when he said "if I were born Palestinian I
would also join a terror group.")
>Peace is coming, and no one can stop it. The best that they can do is slow it down.
It is naive to speak of general peace terms without really knowing/addressing the
issues. Peace will come only when Israel gives justice to the Palestinians. So far
I am not aware of any serious overture by Israel. Israel even REFUSES TO STOP its
continuing, albeit slow, robbery of Palestinian rights, let alone restituting
older injustices. From on-going land confiscations, house demolistions, to water
theft and settlement expansion, the list is well know and fresh.
Also, if Israel is gonna maintain the rubbish historical-right argument to their
land, then NO, peace is not coming -- at least not any time soon. Nor does the
current "Peace" Process relate much to the issue of justice to the Palestinians,
the core of which was and remains: Refugees, East Jerusalem, Borders, Water,
Settlements. Israel continue to take 81% of Palestinian Water and all of the
Golan's, continue to build settlements --at an even faster rate than pre-Oslo
"Peace" process-- continues to confiscate land and expand at the Palestinian
expense in E. Jerusalem and elsewhere, continues to ignore refugee issues and
reparations, continues to not define its borders, continues to apply torture,
curfews, house demolition, etc. No; Peace is not coming any time soon.
Best
Sam
13 Aug 1999
Hi Sam,
Your web site dealing with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is very well done,
and extremely informative. For the interested American, I believe your sections
offer important perspectives and concrete facts not usually understood, heard or
read.
Your references page for books is bascially good. You might check out the
important work of Ilan Pappe, much better than Benny Morris' work.
Morris wants to deal with 48 as a kind of accident of war, rather than a
premeditated strategy to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from the land. If one
look at the situation logically, how else could a Jewish State be formed in an
area that had over 90% indigenous Palestinian Arabs in 1917, the year of the
Balfour Declaration. Pappe's work and that of those of Michael Palumbo (The
Palestinian Catastrophe: The 1948 Expulsion of a People from Their Homeland)
and Nur Masalha's Expulsion of the Palestinians: The Concept of "Transfer" in
Zionist Political Thought 1882-1948 are very important works. Norman Finkelstein
has some of the best documented work. I don't particularly like Koestler's book.
Congratulations on the public service you are providing.
Elaine Hagopian
8 Aug 1999
Dear Sir:
I find your web page very informative and interesting ,as a Veitnam Veteran I
know the pain of war, but not the pain of Lossing my country to foreign powers.
May Palestine grow and the Palestinian people be free again.
This may be of interest to you, June 8, 1967 israely forces attacked the USS
Liberty killing 34 crewman wounding 171 with the intention of killing all
crewman and sinking the Liberty.
Respectfully Yours
Frederick M. C.
24 Jul 1999
Almost by accident I found your web page in a Yahoo search. For a 65
year old WASP American long frustrated by the attitude and ignorance of
the American people and the policies of the American government your
web page is a breath of fresh air. My warmest congratulations and best
wishes for continuing success.
I wish to recommend one book that I believe is not on your recommended
list. This book is "Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict"
by Charles D. Smith. It is something of a text but well documented,
readable, and seems to be objective and cuts thru the propaganda that
that is usually found in the general press.
I shall return to your page frequently and hope you have great success
in your endevor.
17 Jul 1999
Great Page,
We link to you on main page
and on Iraq Talking Points which also on antiwar.com site
Jon Utley, Chairman & Editor
Americans Against World Empire
Who Did all the Work putting it together?
e-mail info@iraqwar.org
20 Jul 1999
The Torah True Jews are Against Zionism.
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org
17 Jul 1999
I think the blood thirsty and treacherous nature of the Arab is beyond question
to any half way observant person . They are the true Nazis of the Ninties.I
doubt that there is a place on earth with more vicious, hateful people than in
the dirty Arab camps of Judea and Sameria. Why they are uncivilized and violent
remains a mystery . Much of it has to do with their fanatical devotion to Islam
, the only religion on earth officially rooted in racial hatred and violence.
And their jealousy of Jewish accomplishments where they remained backward and
ignorant.
--
You are very wrong in your history. There was never in history a Sovereign
Palestinians State. Only the Jews have had a State, where Israel is located
today. From the time, the Romans defeated Israel in 70AD to 1948. Only Empires
controlled the land. NO OTHER NATION
ESTABLISHED A STATE THERE, Until Israel recaptured its Historic homeland in 48.
Until the 1960's, ALL ARABS refered to this area (Palestine) as Greater Syria.
If you claim that the "Palestinians" are a "People" and Israel is their land,
then tell me this: who was the first "king" or "president" or "dictator" of Arab
Palestine?? (If you say Arafat, then you admit that their history is very
short).
What was their national anthem
You cannot answer these, because THERE NEVER WAS SUCH A THING AS
A PALESTINIAN ARAB NATION. It is a hoax that has been promulgated since 1964
as a propaganda device. Infact, When the Arabs had there empire, they put
there capital in Ramallah. Jerusalem was never in history an Arab capital.
There in not one single mention in the Koran, about Jerusalem. It was Hajj
Amin Al Husseini, the Arab Nazi Leader on the 1920s, who made this lie up, about
Muhammad flying from a donkey, to heaven from the Temple mount. He made this lie
up, so the Arabs would riot against Jews. And we all know, the Arabs massacred
all the Jews in Hebron in 1929 and 1936. Further, Israel has only 20 percent of
the land, since the British Mandate or Balfour Declaration. The Arabs have 80
Percent. The British gave the entire East Bank to the Arabs in 1922. (Jordan).
Jordan was part of Historical Israel. Those are the facts
--
Heres the Arab record on Human Rights.
1929 and 1936 massacre of the Jews in Hebron. The Arabs kicked out 800,000 Jews
from the Arab countries. 100,000 Algerians massacred by Arabs killing Arabs,
since 92. 300,000 Kurds gassed and Killed by Iraq in 1988. the butcher Assad,
slaughters 22,000 of his own people in Hama in 1982. 1 million muslims kill each
other in the Iran Iraq war. Palestinians murder Leon Klinghoffer a Paralyzed Jew
on the Achille Laureal. Palestinians massacre innocent, helpless, defenseless,
Jews on buses and shopping malls. Palestinians kill passengers in rome airport
in the 1985. The rome massacre. The Berlin olympics in 1972. Palestinians
terrorists murder the Israeli Olympic wrestlers. Pam Am 103, blown up by Syria,
Iran and Libya. 270 innocent people die. 1992 and 1994. Arab and Iranian
terrorists blow up the Israel embassy in Argentina, killing hundreds on innocent
people. 1998, Muslims blow up the up the American embassy in Kenya. 230 people
murdered. The person who plants the bomb is a P!
alestinan terrorist. Aloise Brunner, the Murderous Nazi, who in World War 2,
deported over 130,000 Jews to there deaths, is in Syria. The Plo in 1973 kills
23 Jewish children in a nursery. The Killing is very similar to the Massacre at
Columbine Highschool. 1978, the Plo slaughter 38 Jews on a bus in Tel Aviv.
1500 Tourists massacred in Egypt since 92. In the mid 80's, how many planes did
the Arabs hijack. 1.5 million black Christians from Sudan, annihilated by the
Arabs in the north. 25,000 Christian Lebanese massecred by the Plo and its
muslims allies in Damour Lebanon in 1976. Can you tell your Arabs, to stop
murdering innocent helpless defenseless Jews. No wait, Thats the Arabs way of
life
--
Maybe you forgot, But who murdered Robert F Kennedy. Who blew up the American
embassy in Kenya last Year. Who blew up Pan Am 103. Who blew up the World trade
center. Who killed the U.S ambassador in Sudan in 1973. America could have been
a great country. But you Arabs had to murder Robert F Kennedy
--
Jewish contributors to the world we know: 1. Jonas Salk 2. Albert Einstein 3.
Alan Greenspan 4. Ben Gurion 5. Milton Friedman 6. Sandy Koufax 7. Leonard
Bernstein 8. Moshe Dayan 9. Sen. Joe Lieberman 10. The Mossad
Muslim contributors to the world we know: 1. Bin Ladin 2. Hamas 3. Saddam
Hussein 4. Arafat 5. Khaddafy 6. Hafez Assad 7. Farrakhan 8. Hezbollah 9. Nasser
10. the WTC bombers 11. King Ibn Saud ------founder of Saudi Arabia in early
20th century. . Really thought that the world was flat. The real model for the
"Beverly Hillbillies." 12. the "Grand" Mufti of Jerusalem. 13. "the engineer"
(Ayashh). Which would you choose
--
I have 3 articles, that document the alliance between Hajj Amin Al Husseini and
Hitler. Read how Husseinin helped the Bosnian muslims in WW2, to murder all the
Jews and Serbs in Yugoslavia
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/hanjar.html
Theres a pic on this site, showing Hajj Amin Al Husseini, with the murderous SS
Nazis Troops. Are you listening Arabists
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/mufti.html
Theres a pic showing, Hajj Amin Al Husseini and Hitler together.
http://www.wzo.org.il/home/portrait/mufti.htm
Click here to learn, how the biggest Nazi War Criminal is in the terrorist
country of Syria. Click here:
http://www.tabloid.net/1998/07/17/lastnazi_980717.html
--
In 1974, PLO guerrillas made one of the most brutal attacks on Israel. The PLO
decided it would be best to slaughter Israeli schoool children. The series of
attacks culminated with that on Maalot on May 15th. Three PLO terrorists
enterered a kindergargen, at Maalot, they killed the housekeeper, his wife and
their child. Then the Arab terrorists massacred 25 Israeli schooh children. 66
more were wounded.
--
You should understand, that Jerusalem was never in history an Arab or muslim
capital. Infact, when the Arabs had there empire. There capital was in Ramallah.
It was never in Jerusalem. Jerusalem is not even mentioned once in the Koran.
Its mentioned over 700 times in the Torah. 2nd, from 1948 to 1967, when the
Arabs occupied East Jerusalem, they kicked out the entire Jewish population,
burned 58 temples and built bathrooms next to the Wailing Wall. Only when Israel
ended the Arabs Siege of Jerusalem in 67, was Jerusalem a free city. You also
forgot to mention Jewish rights in Arab countries. Oh yeah, they have no rights.
The Arab countries in 1948, kicked out 800,000 Jews from the Arab countries.
---
You need to get a history lesson. It was the Arab aggression Against Israel in
48, which started the war. The Arabs were so confident, they would kill all the
Jews in 48, instead Israel kicked your asses. Let me quote the Arab secretary
General in 48. This will be a war of extermination, and momentous massacre, like
the Mongoalians massacres of Gheghis Khan. Infact, it was the surrounding Arab
countries, that Told the Arab population to leave there Holmes. The Arab Armies
requested and ordered, that the Arab population leave there holmes, to clear the
Area, so that the Arab armies could exterminate the Jews. This is nothing knew
to Arabs, Hajj Amin Al Husseini was a genocidal partner of Hitler. And the real
ethnic cleasing happened, when the Arabs kicked out 800,000 Jews from the Arab
countries in 1948. And if you dont know your history, there was never in history
a state called Palestine There has been only one state, where Israel is located
today. And that was Israel. I say!
to people, name me one Palestinian President before 1948. Thats right, keep
thinking, you cant, because there was never in history a state called Palestine.
The Palestinians never controlled the land. And idiot, the Arabs have 80% of the
land since the Balfour Declaration. Israel has 20%. Stop whining about the fact,
Israel foiled your aggression.
--
You say read the Racist Arab Press. Here is the Arab Press. I think the Nazis
would hire you immediately. The Arabs have the most racist blood libel media.
Who deny there was gas chambers at Auschwitz. Who say, Jews drink the blood of
Christians to make Matza. infact, theres a site, that documents all this. Here
are the Arabs you support.
Well to start with, this Conflict with the Arabs and Jews goes about 100 years.
It is important to understand one thing. There has been only one state where
Israel is located today. And that was Israel. I say to people, name me one
Palestinian President before 1948. Thats right, keep thinking, you cant, because
there was never in history a state called Palestine. The Palestinians never
controlled the land. There is something called the Balfour Declaration in 1917.
That Arabs have 80% of the land, since Balfour declaration. The Jews have only
20%. The reason for the 1948 war. In World War 2, most of the Arab countries
sided with Hitler. The Palestinian leader, Hajj Amin Al Husseini went to Berlin
in 1941, to make a deal with Hitler. This was when the Nazis were winning the
war. Hitler told Husseini, when the Nazis defeat the British in the middle East.
The Arabs and Nazis will work togerther, to murder all the Jews in the middle
East. This alliance has never been documented. Ro!
bert F Kennedy was going to document the alliance between the Arabs and Nazis.
When the Arabs found this out, They killed him. Harry Truman had a choice in
1948. To go down in history as supporting the Palestinians Nazis, who were
Hitlers genocidal partners. Or support the Jews, who the land belongs to
historically. Truman made the only logical choice. This land the West bank,
belongs to the Jews historically. Its real name is Judea and Samaria. The Arabs
changed the name is 1948 to the West Bank because Judea and Samaria is named
after Jews 3000 years ago. Today, the Arabs have the most racist blood libel
media in the world. They deny the Holocaust. The murder there own people and
they dont understand, the creator gave this land to the Jews and not Hitlers
allies.
RESPONSE
Out of this vastly out-of-context, racist, and generalization-based history,
few points deserve addressing. Before doing so though, I must mention that I
deleted several pages of those submitted for space limitations. I left what
I felt to be the summary of your case. You should consider, however, making
your own website to put all this info in, which I will be glad to link to
from here.
Your points are underlined; my response follows.
>Mufti's siding with Nazi Germany:
==================================
The mufti sided with Nazi Germany for the same reasons many Zionists and other
Arabs did, like Yitzhak Shamir and his LEHI, and Anwar Sadat: Namely, to counter
British influence in Palestine. All of them expected a Nazi victory. So, the
Mufti's siding with the Nazis was mainly to get support against the British. He
took Hitler's promise, of helping him get rid of Britain, at face value. The
program of mass-murdering of Jews was not known at the time, so it will be
tough to argue, as you say, that he was a partner to Hitler's genocide of Jews.
Second, the Mufti was not supported by all Palestinians, let alone the Arab
governments. In fact when he called for a holy struggle against the Jews, the
majority of Palestinians declined: perhaps about 0.5 percent responded. He
surely was hated by Abdallah of Jordan. Ben-Gurion relied on the mufti's
extremism to justify Israel's belligerence. "Rely on the Mufti" became his
motto.
However, in light of Hitler's then well-known hatred of Jews, it is truly
despicable for the Zionist, who are supposedly representing the Jewish cause,
to side with the Nazis. For Ben-Gurion, it was worth wasting half the
Jewish population to get the other half into Palestine, than to save them all
but not get them into Palestine (believe it or not, these were his words, with
possibly slight modification). Which shows that his/Zionism's interests were
mainly in building this state of his with Jewish majority, than in saving Jews.
>1929 Riots:
===========
Before the 1929 riots there were mutual provocations on both sides. What
provoked the sad 1929 event though, which killed as many as 133 Jews in
Hebron, Jerusalem and Safed, were the Betar (the Revisionist youth movements)
or the predecessors to today's Likud party. This is a well known fact,
says Zionist Israeli Historian Shabtai Teveth, in his Ben-Gurion biography.
In the first chapter of Michael Palumbo's Palestinian Catastrophe
he refers to a reporter's account of the event who states that the first
casualties in the 1929 riots were Palestinians -- killed by a grenade tossed
into the crowd!! In your highly selective history, though, you forgot -- not
surprisingly -- to mention that many of the Arabs gave refuge to their
Jewish neighbors, especially in Hebron, which helped save many lives.
However, the ultimate cause of friction that built up to the deadly level was
the Jewish immigration which paid no consideration to the concerns of local,
indigenous population. Furthermore, the incoming Jews treated the Arabs as
inferior and separated themselves from them.
Between 1880s and 1940s the number of Jews rose by about 2500 percent. Imagine
a foreign power taking over the US, then opening America's doors to immigration
from everywhere, causing a rise of the numbers of some minority, X, from 25
million to 600 million, with the American people not being able to do anything
about it. You will sure see some riots and killing, perhaps even more so that
shown by the Palestinians.
>1974: Ma'alot Massacre:
========================
Now, let's place that in its context. Just prior to this incident, Israel had
bombed Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon for two consecutive weeks, with
Napalm and bombs, leaving 200 dead and tens of thousands homeless. Just two
days before, Israel bombed Kfeir killing several civilians. Moreover, the intent
of the terrorists at Ma'alot --like those at Munich-- wasn't mass-murder, like for
example the Stern gang and Irgun in Deir Yassin (hence the correct name massacre);
they asked for the release of some Palestinian prisoners, pretty much like when
Israel hijacked a Syrian civilian plane in 1954 and asked for the release of
some Israeli prisoners (did you know that Israel was the first to introduce plane
hijacking to the conflict, not to mention letter bombs?) The deaths at Ma'alot
occurred only when Israeli forces tried end the standoff by attempting to kill
the terrorists and rescue the hostages.
>Treatment of Arab Jews and Arab anti-Semitism:
===============================================
1- Arab Jews were mistreated, if at all, mainly AFTER Israel was created.
Israel, the JEWISH state claimed to represent all Jews, by creating and
amplifying Judaism as a NATIONALITY rather than a religion. It is only
natural, but not in any way justifiable, that they face some discrimination.
Kind of ironic when one thinks of how Israel, which was created to help
Jews escape anti-Semitism, became THE CAUSE of anti-Semitism, isn't it?
2- The Jews of Iraq who comprise a big portion of Israel's Sephardi community
today, were made to flee Iraq in 1949 BY ISRAEL!!! Under the direction of
Yiegal Allon, few terrorist operations AGAINST THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IN IRAQ
BY ISRAEL were initiated, like blowing up of some synagogues, and then dropping
leaflets encouraging Jews to flea to Israel as a haven. Wow, huh? (See
David Hirst, The Gun And The Olive Branch, and Chomsky's Towards a New Cold
War. Also this link from Jews Not
Zionists site).
Another Arab country which contributed majorly to Israel's Sephari
Jewish immigration is Morocco. It is a well known fact that under King Hassan
II (and his father) the Morrocan Jewish community lived happily (aside from
some minor incidents around, again, the establishment of Israel). Those who
chose to remain there are now among the richest. Hassan had very friendly
relations with Israel, also, like allowing the establishment of a Mossad
station there. Check out the Jewish Telegraphic
Agency.
3- Have you heard of the Lavon affair. It was an incident in 1954 when Egyptian
Jews were used by Israel against their country Egypt to fire-bomb American,
British and Egyptian installations in Egypt in an attempt to damage the improving
Egyptian-American and Egyptian-British relations. Israel's use of Arab Jews
against their own country is here helping make Jews a target to anti-Semitism
instead of protecting them against it. The same thing again happened when it
used Eli Cohen, an Egyptian Jew, to spy against Syria. This is like the use
of Pollard, an Jewish American citizen, by Israel, to spy on the U.S. and
the ensuing CIA feeling against American Jews. (Check out CIA discriminating
against Jews in the US Interest page). It is only natural, although not
necessarily just to suspect Jews anywhere (especially in Arab countries,) for
possible allegiance to Israel. The Jews of Arab countries were perhaps
treated better than Arab citizens of Israel, who up to mid sixties were
under military rule. But nonetheless, and aside from few unrest here and
there, the Jews of Arab countries were not treated as bad as you imply -- that
is when you compare them to their Arab co-patriots. It has become a practice
to compare the treatment of Arab government of their Jewish minorities to
that of Jews in the US and Israel, which is of course like comparing apples
and oranges. Indeed, after leaving Syria, along with most of the Jewish
communities there, their Rabbi PRAISED the Syrian president. Another
interesting bit about Syrian Jews is an interview (on Sixty Minute) by Mike
Wallace in the 1975 (See Lilienthal's Zionist Connection II, 1982). Wallace,
himself a Jew, interviewed members of the Syrian Jewish community and concluded
that they were happy in Syria and that news of their "persecution" were
unfounded. Not a single Jewish political prisoner existed in Syria, commented
Wallace. The American Jewish community was appalled at the unexpected facts.
Under pressure Wallace redid his interview in 1976. The results were identical.
4- Although unjustifiable, Arab anti-Semitism is explainable. Hint: How big was
anti-Semitism in Arab/Muslim world before Israel was created? Answer: On the
average, the Jews faced the least discrimination in Arab and Muslim countries
throughout the ages than they did elsewhere. (See Shahak, Jewish History
Jewish Religion).
5- Check out my replies to other people regarding Arab versus Jewish terrorism.
There I drew attention to the fact that in one incident committed by one Israeli
Sharon (Sabra and Shatilla massacre) twice as many people died as those from
all acts of the various factions that Israel group under Arab terrorism. But
regardless, as reporter David Hirst stated in his book (Gun and Olive Branch),
Palestinian terrorism is a response to Israeli actions.
>"You say read the Racist Arab Press."
=======================================
Huh? You got it backward. What I actually recommended was the HEBREW press,
as one can easily observe from my Resources page. Furthermore, a comparison of
the articles included in this site from Arab versus Hebrew sources, is a testament
to that. Perhaps the clear-cut truth presented in this site about Israel, shook
the fragile foundation you base your case on, that you forgot to think while you read.
>Re: Arab Blood Libels:
=======================
It is regrettable and true that some Arab countries still hold on to the concept
of Jews' interest in Christian blood. The explanation, but not justification,
to that, follows easily from their frustration in facing Israel's military
power: a virtual extension of the US's. However, some of these blood libel are
actually facts-based. Have you heard of the Jewish ritual murder of a priest
by Orthodox Rabbis in Damascus in 1840 and collecting his blood? It is a well
documented incident.
>RE: There was never a country called Palestine/Palestinians nationality didn't
exist before the 1900's:
===============================================
So what? Does that forfeit the basic human rights of the inhabitants of the
land? Does that make them less attached to the land, than world Jews, the
majority of whom have never even lived there then? Trying to deny the indigenous
Palestinians their right to the land based on technicalities and twists of laws,
as Israel loves to do, is not a sign of someone who respects the human rights of
others. Second, Israel's divine right to the land follows from YOUR interpretation
of the Bible. Many Jews (especially Orthodox) view Israel -- the political
domination of the land -- as a heresy. Her actions today proves that point. In
addition, one may argue that today's Palestinians are the descendants of the
Canaanites who ruled the land before Jews did. Or maybe that some people, say
Angolans, have more right to, say China, because some holy book of the Angolans
says that China is the Angolan holy land, or.... maybe now, you are beginning
to see how retarded the argument of divine right is.
Here's a recent (7/28/1999) clip from the Jerusalem Post by David Newman addressing
this issue (http://www.jpost.com/com/Archive/28.Jul.1999/Opinion/Article-2.html):
"Despite all the historical arguments and polemics aimed at showing that there
was, or was not, a separate Palestinian Arab identity prior to the establishment of
the State of Israel, and/or that the Palestinian identity was an artificial
construction of the past few decades, the fact remains that a separate Palestinian
identity has emerged.
And as with all national groups which have emerged over the course of history,
their right to be called a nation is not rooted in whether they existed hundreds of
years ago or not. The simple fact that they constitute a group, numbering several
million, who have shared beliefs, with common cultural and territorial ties, at any
given point in history, is sufficient to legitimize their claims to independence and
statehood ..."
>RE: Islam as a racist religion
===============================
Aside from your TV-learned stereotypes and generalizations, have you heard about
the Talmud, the Jewish book of law that interprets and supersedes the Torah?
Would you like me to give you some quotes from it? A browse through select
sections will quickly dwarf Islam's (or any other religion's) supposed racist
teachings (if any) against other religions. Point is, anything taken out of
its historical or relevant context, a concept not foreign to you, can sound
anyway one wants it to.
>RE: "You need to get a history lesson. It was the Arab aggression Against
> Israel in 48, which started the war."
==========================================================================
For those who wish to find out, the answer to this old, moth-eaten Zionist myth
exists in the many 1980's declassified Israeli government files covering the
1948 era. Check out many books by Israeli historians based on those files
which have, more than a decade ago, put this myth to rest: books by Simha Flapan,
Benny Morris, Tom Segev, etc. Check out also Ben-Gurion's war diaries, and
Sharett's diaries of the 1950s. When you do, you're in for a re-born eye-opening
experience, not to mention an enhanced "history lesson."
In conclusion, you take all of these event out of their context, generalize any
terrorist act committed by AN ARAB to reflect an Arab "nature," apply to them
the stereotypes of the ignorants, and voila: black is white and right is wrong.
Sam
all this internet site is one big lie i am from israel and iknow the thrue ihope
some one will send you a viruss that will destroy this idiotic site like the
israeli i.d.f destroy your fulish revolution in lebanon you cant do anything
aginst israel, its the powerfull force in the area. thogether with the usa we
will destroy you all.
that it
go out side now and wach the sky, becuse you can never now when and where did
the bomb will came from
amir
TEL AVIV ISRAEL
Since you live in Tel Aviv, I am sure you have heard about the Ha'aretz newpaper, a
Tel Aviv daily, on which most of the material in this site was based. Any specific
comments on the Ha'aretz articles I included?
2 Jul 1999
from: mzeldovi
You would do well to check up on the factuals printed on your website.
I am a Jew who often critizes other Jews, but some of the facts you publish and
refer to as real are unchecked and plain wrong. Very few examples:
Genetic and anthropological analysis has conclusively proven time and time again
that Jews are NOT Khazars. Only Khazar elite accepted Judaism and Khazars
converting to Judaism never numbered more than 30,000. Most of them were elites
converted into Orthodox Christianity after the Russian defeat of their empire.
TO flee to Poland and Eastern Europe as is claimed was impossible: Russia, their
deadly foe was in the way.
I wonder to see if you would put this onto your website in a "free exchange of
ideas."
90% of Pollard's information was on Arab countries, not US and NATO as your
website claims. I understand that you put others' articles on, but their
summaries are yours, you should at least check the facts, Mister. Oh, and by the
way: Caspar Weinberger whom you quote against Pollard is a convicted perjurer
(on two occasions) which is why he had to leave his job ultimately. Not the most
reliable quotation source, huh?
I am studied and excavated Khazar sites: I know I am talking about.
Thank you for your feedback.
Sure there might be some factual errors in my page, that's one of the reasons I have
created a medium of feedback from readers. There is always the possibility of errors
slipping in, so if I don't catch them, I hope readers can. However, just as I have
listed endless resources for the information I included, I expect you to do some
referencing yourself: for example when you say "90% of Pollard's information was
on Arab countries." I am not saying that the 90% figure is incorrect, because
that is really irrelevant to how much damage the remaining 10%, i.e. about
*80,000* pages of the highest classified documents, could have caused. The
summary you refer to is not mine in the Pollard case, as you would have found
out had you looked more closely. The satements about the type of information
Pollard stole and gave to Israel, was made by Joseph DiGenova, a lead prosecutor
in Pollard's case, NOT by me. Check again please.
As for the statement by Caspar Weinberger, it is there for whoever considers
his opinion to be of value, not as the ultimate proof to the damage pollard
caused. That, the proof of Pollard's damage to the U.S., can be found in
the multiples of books, statements, articles, .... etc, made over the years
by CIA officials, Pollard's prosecutors, and many investigative reporters.
For example, in the assessment of the CIA "His life sentence was and remains
appropriate in light of the amount and type of classified information he sold
and the potential damage he risked to the national security of the United States
for money, trips and diamonds." (See here).
So me, perhaps outdated, references
on this might be Seymour Hersh "the Samson Option," and material by Stephen
Green. Nevertheless, many will, I am sure, value Weinberger's opinion since,
after all, he was the Secretary of Defense.
As for the Khazar heritage of Ashkenazi Jews, I would prefer using the
conclusions of such famous people as Arthur Koestler -- on whose famous book
the corresponding section was based -- than yours. I am not saying your knowledge
on this issue is less than his, but in this case I will chose the more
known-for-his-work of the two.
>I wonder to see if you would put this onto your website in a "free exchange of ideas."
Wonder no longer.
Sam
4 Jun 1999
I remember from years ago, and some friends remind me of this, that the reports
were that israel would not negotiate with the palestinians because of the
statement by the arabs that "we will drive them into the sea" and their refusal
to recognize the state of israel. Who was it that made such statements, when and
in what context? I have always discounted that argument but even now I talk to
some people who say "it was all palestine's fault!!"
I hope you can help me with this.
Nigel G W
Nigel
Israel would not negotiate with the Palestinians not due to any statements made
by Arabs, but because Israel is not willing to give the Palestinians what's
rightfully theirs (at least according to international law): their land, or some
of it, on which Israel was established, or other lands (W. Bank and Gaza) which
Israel occupied for many reasons, among which is exploitation of water resources
and of cheap Palestinian labor.
A background:
At the time Israel was established, in 1948, Jews owned 7% of Palestine
(today's Israel+West Bank+Gaza). The Palestinians were over two third of the
population. (Jews were 10% of the population in 1917, and owned less than 2%
of the land, but illegal immigration, and land purchase by the Jewish National
Fund, allowed their numbers to rise and land ownership to increase). From
pre-state times, all the industry Jews established was for Jews only. They
separated themselves from the Palestinian population, which they considered
inferior and backward.
The U.N. in 1947 assigned 56% of Palestine to the one-third Jews and 44% to the
two-third Arabs. Both Arabs (naturally) and Jews rejected that partition,
although Arabs did so more officially, which allowed Israel to take advantage
of this and claim that "the Arabs rejected 1947 partition" concealing their own
rejection of it. After 1948 war was over in 1949, Israel was in control of 77%
of Palestine (today's Israel) and three quarter of a million Palestinians were
expelled (which made Jews a majority). Out of 475 of their villages, Israel
obliterated at least 418. Jews possessed about 50,000 remaining Palestinian
houses fully furnished. One method Israel used to urge the Palestinian exodus
was committing select well-timed massacres to scare the population. And it
worked like a charm. It is a fact that organized terrorism was first started
by the Jews in Palestine long before there was a PLO and co.
Refugees and their children from the 1948 and 1967 wars number, today, 3.5
million. According to International Human Right Laws they have the right to
return to their land or at least to compensation. Would Israel be willing to
let them return, or give them compensation, estimated in the tens of Billions
of Dollars? I doubt it. So, it creates a smokescreen of fabrications, like
being "worried about being driven to the sea by the Arabs," which is as absurd
as saying that an elephant is worried about being driven to the see by an ant,
noting Israel's military might as a virtual extension of the U.S.'s. Even in
1967 when Israel was way weaker than it is now, in comparison to the Arabs, it
defeated Syria, Jordan, Egypt in six days. In addition, when Israel claims
weakness, American Jews and others of its supporters rush her cash. So it pays
to claim to be weak, fearing annihilation by a supposed giant Arab monster.
In addition Israel today steals 81% of Palestinian water in the occupied West
Bank. Do you think it would leave such a crucial and scarce resource for the
Palestinians, when it needs it most? It also exploits the labor of the
Palestinians and their children... So basically Israel is running the plain'ol
settler colonialism we studied in high school, where it sucks away the occupied
country's resources and enslaves the people while confiscating their land and
building on it.
The other smokescreen Israel creates is that "the Arabs/Palestinians don't
recognize Israel." Israel does this to cover up for ITS rejection of
Palestinian's right to exist. But the western media repeats Israel's words as
facts, and ignores or downplays the Arabs' statement (that is, when these
statements are peaceful; it plays them up when they aren't!) It is *Israel*
-- whose leaders have long maintained that "there is no such thing as a
Palestinian people... they don't exist" in the words of Golda Meir -- that need
to recognize the Palestinians, not the other way around. Again, it is the
elephant that needs to recognize the ants' right to exist.
For the Palestinians to recognize the right of Israel to exists is like
accepting their dispossession by Israel as just and legitimate. Imagine
someone invades your house, kicks most of your family out, occupies most of
the rooms and leaves you a little corner in the garage to live in. Where,
then, does he get the audacity to ask you to recognize his right to exist!!
But even though it is extremely hard, the Palestinians did recognize
Israel, in January 1976, when the PLO -- the representative of the
majority of Palestinians then -- stated it officially. Israel, then,
stopped emphasizing its need for recognition by the Arabs and emphasized
"we will not negotiate with terrorists [the PLO]". Of course to the
person familiar with the Arab-Israeli conflict, as opposed to one who
learned about it from TV and American media, the terrorist acts of Israeli
leaders like Shamir, Sharon, Begin, Rabin, are an order of magnitude
worse than that of Palestinians. The Middle East connoisseur knows
also to distinguish between the PLO (Arafat) and other Palestinian factions
such as Abu Nidal, who committed most of the infamous terrorist acts
(that are implicitly attributed to the PLO by western media.) Israel
prefers an extremist, not a moderate PLO, to which it might, as a result,
be forced to give some land back. Israel prefers terrorist Palestinians,
not compromising human ones, which will gain the support of the world
against Israel's extremism represented by BOTH Labor and Likud.
The PLO was chosen by the Palestinians to represent them, but Israel says no.
In other words, Israel wants to choose for the Palestinians who to represent
them! And thus the occupation continued.
If you want to learn about this, I have listed many books on the subject. My
personal favorite is Noam Chosmky's Fateful Triangle, 1999. It is not for
beginners though, but is an excellent source of information from a man deemed
by the New York Times as "arguably the most important intellectual alive." And
he is Jewish, by the way. Get it now, and read it slowly. Read also books by
Israeli historians: Tom Segev, Benny Morris, Simha Flapan, Ilan Pappe, Benjamin
Beit-Hallahmi. If you want a book summarizing Israeli sins in an easy-to-read
manner then get ex-congressman Paul Findley's "Deliberate Deceptions," and you
are in for a shock!!! If you feel ready for a more serious shock, check out
the diaries of former Israeli prime minister Moshe Sharett, who often expressed
dismay at Israel's practices. (An easy-to-read alternative to the massive
Sharett diaries, is the small booklet based on them, by Israeli journalist
Livia Rokach. The book is called "Israel's Sacred Terrorism, 1986". Under my
bookpage in my site I have the COMPLETE BOOKLET!! Please print it and read it.)
Unfortunately, the U.S. media is too apologetic for Israel, regardless of what
it does. The U.S. has a blackout on all the facts, (e.g. Sharett's diaries)
allowing ridiculous myths to persists, such as the ones you mentioned that "it
was the Arab's fault" and "Israel is a democracy," "Palestine was a barren
desert" ... etc. Most of these myths are not even discussed in intellectual
literature anymore. They are left only for the consumption of the uninformed
average person who knows nothing about the conflict.
But you have to learn the facts about this topic, because otherwise,
you will easily be driven by currents to either side, without ever
knowing what the truth is.
I have saved you a lot of the efforts of learning about the topic
by creating my site. I have a lot of articles from reputable
sources, and many from the Israeli press. Read and get the facts
now, because without your acquiescence and money as an American ($10
Millions/DAY for the last 25 years, that is) Israel's belligerence
and objection to a just settlement of peace (under the smokescreen
of security) can't survive.
Best,
Sam
4 Jun 1999
On p 3 of Zionism 1 you state "92% of the land in israel falls under the
Administration of the Jewish National Fund, where the land can not be sold to
non-Jews. Result: the 18% Israeli-Arabs own only 4% of the land."
Iwant to find out more about this. I would like statutory and legal cites. I
would like to know where the land ownership data comes from . Can you help?
If I am right about these restrictions then they would be unenforceble in the US
if not under the common law then under the US Supreme Court decision in Shelly v
Kramer 334 US 1 (1948). This fact alone leads me to conclude that israel cannot
be a democracy in the american sense of the word.
Nigel G W
Nigel
The only reason people in Western countries think that Israel is a democracy,
is the endless repetitions of this claim by the media and policy-makers, who
either have interest in this false claim, are intimidated by Israel's powerful
lobbyiests, or are just parroting it out of ignorance, for political
correctness. This claim has been repeated too frequently that people don't even
stop to think about it. Because the minute a rational person dedicates one
minute of thought to it, he/she will immediately realize the irony -- that a
*Jewish* state, with non-Jewish citizens, is democratic! This is like calling
a white state with non-whites, a democracy. To make the discrimination and
racism clearer, Israel's courts have held that "Israel is a nation of ITS PEOPLE,
THE JEWS, NOT OF ITS CITIZENS."
That 92% of land-ownership is restricted to Jews is not in dispute; it is a
well known fact. I am not sure exactly which official site states it, if any.
You can look under many of the ones I listed in my resource page. It is listed
in many books though, (by Jewish/Israeli authors) like "Israel Shahak's Jewish
History Jewish Religion 1996, p.5", "Noam Chomsky, Fateful Triangle 1983,
p.157" and his "Towards a New Cold War, 1982 p240-up". (Look under the
index/search the net for Jewish National Fund). Also look in the books:
"Israel, an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, 1987," and "Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi's
Original Sins, 1993."
If you were to look in an Israeli official source, though, don't expect to find
this important fact stated so explicitly, i.e. "92% of land in Israel is for Jews
only." Israel is not dumb. To avoid such explicit admission of racism,
Israel's discriminatory laws are stated in a convoluted and intertwined way,
but such that the end result is the same as stated. Only the person seeking it
with strong determination will be able to construct it, by following the links
and loops in the laws. So, an Israeli official source might state something
like: "Only 8% of Israel is privately owned." The real researcher who is not
biased for Israel will look further into that statement. What he will find is
that the remaining 92% of the land is labeled "Israel Land" or "State Land..
administered by Israel Land Authority according to rules and regulations issued
by the [Keren Kayemeth Leyisrael, or] Jewish National Fund (JNF), an affiliate
of the World Zionist Organization. " (Shahak p.5) If one were to look even
further he/she will find that the term "State/Israel Land" is equivalent to
"Land for the Jewish people, only." There are several other laws concealing
similar forms of racism against non-Jews in Israel, but again, one has to look
with perseverance and follow all the necessary links.
Here are few relevant facts about Israel that should guide you in your search
of Israel not being a democracy:
-Government programs make explicit the goal of preserving the "Jewish
Character" of Jerusalem, i.e, force non-Jews to leave, and demolish their
houses if they try to build to accommodate their natural growth.
-Arabs are separated from the institutions of power in Israeli society.
-Arabs are concentrated into low paying, low skilled jobs, whereas Jews occupy
the higher status and higher paid administrative and white collar positions.
An Israeli-Arab (non-Jew) friend of mine had a dream of becoming an electrical
engineer (communications). He chose business major instead, because his
"chances of getting a job as an non-Jewish electrical engineer are null."
-Israel has NO constitution; just a collections of laws and rules.
Not to mention that when you run an occupation, as Israel does, you will use
repression, torture, curfews, exploitation of labor of the occupied and their
children, confiscation of Land to house Jews, or just for the purpose of
depriving Palestinians from it. All of this, suddenly make the word
"non-democratic" an understatement describing what Israel is. But, I leave
that for you to prove, which will only happen after you dig yourself out of
the gloss the western media uses to enhance Israel's image. One excellent
source for start is the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs
(http://www.washington-report.org). Also, I *highly* recommend reading the
Israeli press for news, instead of American. Check out the prestigious daily
Ha'aretz (http://www.haaretzdaily.com). Search its archives, for articles by
reporters Gideon Levy and Amira Haas. Israeli journalists are, unlike
Americans, unafraid of blacklisting when they tell the truth about Israel.
My site is aimed at giving people facts based on books, newspapers, and
magazines -- leads for people to follow up on. Their task then is to prove
it to themselves that what I say here is true.
In short, maybe Israel is a democracy, but only after a minor modification of
excluding its non-Jewish citizens, or even excluding non-European (Sephardi)
Jews, who are also discriminated against in some ways, (albeit much less than
non-Jews). So, Israel is a democracy for European Jews only.
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"Jews" from
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Turkey, Ataturk and
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Israel and the Ongoing Holocaust in Congo
Jews DO control the media -
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Abbas - The Traitor
Protocols of Zion
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